Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Muslims are the major victim of Israel, so it's not surprising Muslims would respond. All the peaceful avenues were closed off.
Now this has got to be a troll. It's the other way around. Since day one, and before.
Lots of countries throughout history have gotten rich doing genocide and slavery. I don't think it's a good metric from a moral perspective. But that's just me!
Lots of countries have not got rich by doing genocide and slavery, and lots of countries have got rich by not doing genocide and slavery, so not a good metric for anything really!
Some pretty massive circumstantial differences between a place like Iraq vs Canada that lend themselves to political violence, beyond Islam.
Also worth noting how many orgs on the list were funded/and or created by "Western Government" intelligence agencies. Many of these "terror organizations" were created with the intention to participate in proxy "resistance" to Soviet expansion in the region, no?Many of these orgs created by "Western" governments have gone rogue. And isn't it rather ironic how Israel is now basi
My understanding is that the Mujahideen are a lot different from the modern orgs, although many trace their origin from this type of resistance group. Which groups do you think are “created” by western governments?
I get why some of the groups appear multiple times on this list because of the cell based structure of many of these organizations, but I think it’s kind of unfair to count them more than twice. Also there seems to be a bias against listing narco-terrorist organizations on this list and if they were on there the numbers would be a little less skewed towards Islamic terrorism. I
It's just regional factions (the repeat instances). I think it makes sense as to why they split them off like that.
Also worth noting how many orgs on the list were funded/and or created by "Western Government" intelligence agencies. Many of these "terror organizations" were created with the intention to participate in proxy "resistance" to Soviet expansion in the region, no?Many of these orgs created by "Western" governments have gone rogue. And isn't it rather ironic how Israel is now basi
Israel defending itself from an invasion, hostage situation and a year long missile bombardment is going rogue? Lol.
The US is currently sending air defense and troops to Israel so I doubt we consider them a rogue state. Sounds like fiction.
Israel defending itself from an invasion, hostage situation and a year long missile bombardment is going rogue? Lol.
The US is currently sending air defense and troops to Israel so I doubt we consider them a rogue state. Sounds like fiction.
the hostages eh...
Israel defending itself from an invasion, hostage situation and a year long missile bombardment is going rogue? Lol.
The US is currently sending air defense and troops to Israel so I doubt we consider them a rogue state. Sounds like fiction.
They're a rogue state
They're an "apartheid state" where 2 million Arabs live and work/get equal care and education/vote/can serve, etc
They're a non country somehow, that became a country by the same standards as anyone else the UN voted on
They're the only country that can't seem to be allowed to respond to terror and missile strikes
They're the only country I know of in war that was expected to resupply their enemy
They're the only country I know who is not allowed to win a war
They're the only country I know who has given land for peace, and yet somehow is always viewed as expansionist
It gets hard to not just yell JEWS. Know what I mean?
They're a rogue stateThey're an "apartheid state" where 2 million Arabs live and work/get equal care and education/vote/can serve, etcThey're a non country somehow, that became a country by the same standards as anyone else the UN voted onThey're the only country that can't seem to be allowed to respond to terror and missile strikesThey're the only country I know of in war that
Well of course it’s not about Jews, it’s about Zionists and Israel. That’s why Jalfrezi’s tweets he reposts are always keen to highlight the Jewish protesters. Wait a minute…
Well of course it’s not about Jews, it’s about Zionists and Israel. That’s why Jalfrezi’s tweets he reposts are always keen to highlight the Jewish protesters. Wait a minute…
I'm sure the fact that 9/10 (if not higher) Jews are Zionists, is something we can totally ignore too.
I'm sure the fact that 9/10 (if not higher) Jews are Zionists, is something we can totally ignore too.
Probably because it's not true.
I'm not a fan of Vic's shtick, but he's consistently able to be critical of the Israeli state and the IDF without engaging in the kind of antiesmitism you're casually accusing him of. That's a far cry from the constant stream of Islamophobic bullshit that gets tossed around here without much protest from you.
Probably because it's not true.
I'm not a fan of Vic's shtick, but he's consistently able to be critical of the Israeli state and the IDF without engaging in the kind of antiesmitism you're casually accusing him of. That's a far cry from the constant stream of Islamophobic bullshitTrolly, only you, as a non Jew, could come in and Jew 'splain things in spectacular fashion the way you just have.
Good sir, your article is from 2021.
Since 2021, October7th happened. Raging antisemitism has gone up every single year. Israel's very proof of concept has been shown to Jews all over the world. We're hearing from Jews that never cared before, how much they care. There has been a ground swell of support unlike most we've seen, because Jews SEE it now. Jews who didn't know how much antisemitism was out there before, sure know now.
Don't try to Jew 'splain to me, it's very unbecoming. And if you do, don't use 3 year old articles from before one of the most historic events in the history of our religion.
I'm sure the fact that 9/10 (if not higher) Jews are Zionists, is something we can totally ignore too.
Never in my life have I ever even thought to consider myself a Zionist, but if all it takes is to believe that Israel has a right to defend itself, then I guess I’ve been a dirty Zionist this whole time.
I've been clear and consistent on this ITT.
You definitely had some slacking Jewish parents, if you did in fact have some 😆
Never in my life have I ever even thought to consider myself a Zionist, but if all it takes is to believe that Israel has a right to defend itself, then I guess I’ve been a dirty Zionist this whole time.
Believing that Israel should exist in some form, is all you need to believe to be Zionist. A home self determined by the Jews, like all those Muslim nations around it. If one believes the Palestinians have a right to self determination, then one believes the Jewish state should exist too.
When the empires were divided up, and we take all the lands Jews were expelled from, per capita we come up with a fair territory much much bigger than Israel. The Jews settled for less, with Israel. And years before that they settled for 17% of Israel, an offer the Arabs refused btw (83% of Israel was too little for the Arabs, the historical record shows).
So yeah, you're probably a Zionist.
Zionism isn't blind support of Bibi. It's the OBVIOUS fact that Jews can and should also have a homeland. Since everyone around them got one too.
Israel hasn't "settled" for anything. They have constantly been stealing land since the beginning. Now they are trying to annex large parts of Lebanon.
Israel hasn't "settled" for anything. They have constantly been stealing land since the beginning. Now they are trying to annex large parts of Lebanon.
If you say so, it must be true Victor.
Don’t do this. It’s gross.
That's ethnonationalism in a nutshell: it demands blind loyalty to a nation-state you may never have even set foot in. It's Blood and Soil nonsense that belongs in the dustbin of history.
Israel hasn't "settled" for anything. They have constantly been stealing land since the beginning. Now they are trying to annex large parts of Lebanon.
It’s a defensive annexation. They’re just taking cues from Russia. They were worried about the genocide that would be caused if they didn’t preemptively invade and take land. 😉
That's ethnonationalism in a nutshell: it demands blind loyalty to a nation-state you may never have even set foot in. It's Blood and Soil nonsense that belongs in the dustbin of history.
I don't have the time or energy to go bump your (recent) last post where you definitely said the Palestinians have a right to self determination of their land (whatever you consider it to be). But you did say it.
