2024 ELECTION THREAD

I don't understand what you are referring about here both in the first and the second sentence.

How am i "backing away from voter ID"? and how is giving it for free to everyone who asks which is what i supported in this thread going to affect blacks (??) disproportionately to the negative?

What does Georgia need to change to prevent Trump from calling and asking for extra fraudulent votes? Obviously strict ID and paper ballots are not close to enough.

Because you don’t want a federal voter ID law that would be free to everyone and won’t criticize Republicans for either presenting an unconstitutional law or presenting this law inside an omnibus bill, two things you whined about in the past.

He wasn't asking for fraudulent votes. He was asking for legitimate votes that may have gone missing.

See this is the problem. You guys don't read the comments he made in the context they were made. You just grab the headline or talking point, ignore the context and run with it. Rinse and repeat. The same with his Jan 6 speech. Ignore the context and just cherry pick the bits that suit your agenda.

When the votes have been counted and recounted, and he still wants you to "find 11,000 more," that is BY DEFINITION fraudulent. That is the ONLY WAY to "find" more votes. Unless you have another solution of how you can come up with 11,000 more votes when they are already been counted and recounted.

Would love to hear.

Lol I listened to the call itself. He asked for enough votes after being repeatedly told by republicans he lost. He wanted fake votes because he heard dead people voted and was told they found 12 cases and even then it was people with the same name as someone who died or other wrong claims from incompetent MAGAtards.

I see. Can you explain more to me how legitimate votes "go missing" and then can be found by request? Was he asking for a multi-agency task force to scour the whole state for these fugitive votes? Or to put their picture on the back of milk cartons, perhaps? Or maybe I'm being dramatic, and he just wanted someone to check behind the fridge and under the sofa cushions? Or maybe the votes were playing hide and seek with Sarah Boone, did anyone check the suitcase?

Georgia recounted every ballot. Every single ballot.

There was no way to "find votes" that hadn't been recounted. And Trump was repeatedly told that.

Donald Trump cheats at everything he does.

When Trump claims that he has been cheated he is just projecting. That is how sociopaths operate. He claimed there was cheating in the 2016 IA Republican primary that he lost to Cruz. He claimed in 2016 that he won NH and had a KS guy investigate it. That failed and was abandoned 6 months later. Then when he lost the 2020 election he tried to have false electors count in congress. That is cheating.

He claims to have won many golf tournaments on his courses by cheating. A guy wrote a book on it.

Not understanding who Donald Trump is, is really the problem here.

That’s why he asked for exactly one more vote than a tie lol

In BJs methed-out mind, multiple people responding to explain why he's a lying waste of skin is just more evidence for "forum TDS".

And of course he never even answered the question. What can GA do to prevent a repeat of 2020? There is no answer because obviously Trump lost because he was doing a bad job as president.

Every 4 years Dems say they are gonna contend in Texas. Maybe this is the year.

for a leftist-majority forum, there is low amount of TDS here, which is one of the reasons why I keep talking here (as long as I am allowed to).

Allred is a particularly strong candidate, Cruz is surprisingly weak this cycle for whatever reason, there aren't many polls but the distance is small and democrats have actually a chance this time

Cooperative federalism, they can give states incentives for it at the very least

Tell that to our resident oxygen thieves Playbig and BJ, who think that all criticism of their Orange Daddy is a symptom of TDS.

I think, because that was my old prior as well, that their problem is about the fact that a forum that skews heavily male, linked to activities that skew heavily republican/libertarian (online gambling, some crypto), should be a lot to the right of the median, so the state it is, is still some kind of proof of TDS in some sense.

like why on earth would a pro gambler be anything but rationally selfish and inherently ultra right-wing on economic issues to begin with? and why would the moral character of a candidate ever even be something he cares about?

I am actually still puzzled to this day that the median take here isn't "I personally gain if republicans win and that's literally the only thing I care about", while admitting to the lies, corruption and so on as much as you want but disregarding them when assessing who to vote for.

Like the house-something (sorry I am terrible at remembering nicknames) cripto enthusiast should be the normal user here

housenuts

most gamblers are inherently socially liberal because gambling has a lot of social stigma attached to that. on top of that, we tend to be from big cities, which skew liberal. then we tend to see the dregs of society which might make us feel empathy. lastly we see a lot that people don’t always have great decisionmaking skills and questionably can enter certain states where free will is completely absent like gambling addicts.

Accepting the premise that many people (in my view, correctly) view Trump as a threat to democracy and a threat to the country, being vehemently against him is rational self interest.

As for moral character, I think the concern there is primarily with lying to the point of "obliterating reality," to borrow a turn of phrase from another poster. I doubt many people here care too much that he cheats on his wife with porn stars or whatever. MAGAs are now literally living in a world of "alternative facts" that has been completely normalised by the Trump phenomenon. Just look at someone like Playbig, who has lost all connection with the real world.

Of course, it's also pretty hilarious that Republicans have all been shown to be the charlatans and hypocrites that they always were, with their sanctimonious proclamations of being the party of "family values" and "law and order", which is probably the context in which points about his moral character are usually made.

sounds like sucker talk. do you even crypto...bro?

Cool

socially liberal yes but for ex why care about roe v Wade as long as you can fly your gf or daughter to get an easy abortion.

I mean the median pro gambler I interacted with all my life was the typical socially liberal, economic conservative type, at least in Europe (where it is actually rarer to find those types).

people who make a living out of gambling do so exploiting human weakness in others to their benefit, that's very hard to conjugate with being in favor of a welfare state for example. they do so with 0 help from the state and very often with the state actively working against them in many ways, which makes it very hard for them to believe the state can be in general anything but a problem, not a solution.

and so on.

what I realized is that most people in this forum never made a killing in gambling and that's why my priors were bad, simple as that.

I've lost a killing if that counts.

Yes, no need to care about anyone else. It's all about the big numero uno, right?