Israel/Palestine thread
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International law very strongly disagrees with your assessment, but the world has long since stopped holding Israel accountable to any kind of moral standard.
Not it doesn’t. You can attack civilian buildings if you attempt to minimize civilian casualties and there is a military objective. Just look at the amnesty international article that Victor posted.
jfc just take a step back and listen to yourself.
Under international law, Hezbollah and other armed groups must, to the extent feasible, avoid locating military objectives, including fighters, ammunition, weapons, and military infrastructure, in or near densely populated areas. However, the presence of military objectives in populated areas does not absolve Israeli forces of their obligations under international humanitarian law to avoid indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks as well as to take all feasible precautions to spare all civilians, including civilians who fail to leave the area after an evacuation warning. Failure to provide effective advance warnings of attacks which may affect civilians, unless circumstances do not permit, and not taking all other feasible precautions to protect civilians, constitute violations of international humanitarian law.
To summarize: you can attack military targets in civilian or densely populated areas, but you have to minimize civilian casualties as much as possible.
Don’t take it from me, take it from amnesty international.
When an entire town is flattened, the IDF isn't going after Hezbollah. They are preparing permanent occupation, minus the Lebanese civilians.
A article documents that 1,085 buildings have been destroyed in Lebanon. Many of them were flattened by controlled demolitions -- meaning there was not a battle going on:
Videos posted to social media by the Israeli military and individual soldiers, and verified by The Times, show that at least 200 of the buildings were blown up in controlled demolitions, in which soldiers place and then remotely detonate explosives. Controlled demolitions were seen in five of the six towns: Blida, Kafr Kila, Mhaibib, Ramyah and Aita al Shaab.
You can see in the videos when the village has an extensive tunnel network. You can also see when they don't and I have no idea why those are being leveled, but for the ones with the tunnels the reason is pretty clear.
To summarize: you can attack military targets in civilian or densely populated areas, but you have to minimize civilian casualties as much as possible.
Don’t take it from me, take it from amnesty international.
It is, or may be, a war crime to locate military assets in civilian areas, which of course Hamas and Hezbollah always do in order to complicate things for the Israelis. In those circumstances, those areas may be liable to attack. As to whether the Israelis really seek to minimise civilian casualties... that's a bit doubtful.
It is, or may be, a war crime to locate military assets in civilian areas, which of course Hamas and Hezbollah always do in order to complicate things for the Israelis. In those circumstances, those areas may be liable to attack. As to whether the Israelis really seek to minimise civilian casualties... that's a bit doubtful.
Although there are probably a few exceptions, "rules of war" is basically an oxymoron. 90% of wars should never have been fought. And those that should have been (because there was no question which side was the evil one) should not handcuff the non evil side with rules. Especially rules designed to protect non combatants who are on the evil side and want the righteous ones dead. It would have been fine to torture sane, adult German, citizens who approved of the Holocaust, if that improved the chances the Allies would win. Same with Southern sane, adult citizens, who approved of slavery if that was the only way to increase the North's chances.
On the other hand, if it is not obvious which side is right, or if many children can be expected to die, then, if two countries would nevertheless go to war, the leaders of both countries should be sought out by the rest of the world and assassinated.
Although there are probably a few exceptions, "rules of war" is basically an oxymoron. 90% of wars should never have been fought. And those that should have been (because there was no question which side was the evil one) should not handcuff the non evil side with rules. Especially rules designed to protect non combatants who are on the evil side and want the righteous ones dead. It would have been fine to torture sane, adult German, citizens who approved of the Holocaust, if that improved the c
Normative moral "shoulds" have no role in geopolitics. Especially if the very few entities who could "police the world" toward that ethical outcome, aren't willing to.
When an entire town is flattened, the IDF isn't going after Hezbollah. They are preparing permanent occupation, minus the Lebanese civilians.
A article documents that 1,085 buildings have been destroyed in Lebanon. Many of them were flattened by controlled demolitions -- meaning there was not a battle going on:
I'm sure there is a strategic purpose related to the war. I highly doubt they are doing this in preparation of occupation.
I'm sure there is a strategic purpose related to the war. I highly doubt they are doing this in preparation of occupation.
Well, it depends on how you define occupation. They are definitely creating a buffer zone so Lebanese/Hezbollah anti tank missiles (which Iron Dome cant protect against) cant be fired from Lebanon into Israel towns.
On October 8th when Lebanon/Hezbollah declared war on Israel and opened a second front in the North anti-tank missiles were fired, creating much danger for Israeli civilians, forcing their evacuation. Israel is doing what it can to assure Lebanon/Hezbollah cant do this again. There is also the risk of a October 7th style land invasion into Israel if Hezbollah can restage in towns near the border.
Given Hezbollah has shown their word is nothing, and they absolutely will threaten and attack Israel again if given the chance; the decision is very rationale.
Import and enable bigots without liberal values, and you become a nation of bigots without liberal values. Nice touch switching to a foreign language when it was time for gender slurs.
told you like a year ago that people would not look kindly on those symbols in public
in this case, I was speaking to the meta-point. as far as this video specifically, I dont think that guy was being hated on for being Jewish. I would guess that he went to that particular coffee shop hoping this would happen. and the whole video could be staged either way. Brianna Wu is not really a good follow.
lol I just actually watched the video. all I can say is lol.
In other news, after their Russian made air defense systems repelled the Israeli attack on October 29th, Iran announced they would follow up with a devastating attack on Israel proper; presumably to mop up what little is left of the Israeli Air Force.
In other other news, in meetings with US envoys Lebanese officials announced that as part of a (hopefully) upcoming ceasefire they would employ the Lebanese army to enforce Resolution 1701, and keep Hezbollah out of southern Lebanon. They also announced Lebanese air space would no longer be used by the IRI or its Arab proxies to smuggle weapons to Hezbollah.
I am skeptical Lebanese forces will be any more effective than UNIFIL ones, but we shall see.
Meh. It is Oakland, CA; a city that is horribly progressive and horrible corrupt. And the national media isn't going to want to touch this story with a 10 foot pole this close to the election. I dont expect much of anything to happen, and wouldn't be surprised if this boosted business.
In other news the name of the shop is Jerusalem Cafe, so a little bit of irony there. One would assume someone would name their shop Jerusalem Cafe because they endorsed an inclusive, tolerant worldview where people of all faiths could come together in peace; but obviously the owner of this business has a very different vision of what Jerusalem should stand for.
And it doesn't excuse the behavior of the shop owner either way, buy you definitely do wonder if the guy playing chess with his son wearing the Star of David hat knew what he was getting into. Like I said, with no other information I would assume a place named Jerusalem Cafe was inclusive and tolerant as a matter of branding; but obviously this place isn't, so one does wonder if the guy with the hat knew that coming in.
Meh. It is Oakland, CA; a city that is horribly progressive and horrible corrupt. And the national media isn't going to want to touch this story with a 10 foot pole this close to the election. I dont expect much of anything to happen, and wouldn't be surprised if this boosted business.
In other news the name of the shop is Jerusalem Cafe, so a little bit of irony there. One would assume someone would name their shop Jerusalem Cafe because they endorsed an inclusive, tolerant worldview wher
Dude knew exactly what he was doing.
I'm not totally sure how right to refuse service laws work but sure sounds like discrimination kicking someone out for wearing a religious symbol.
Oakland can be as progressive as it wants but I'm pretty sure the guy is going to have a civil rights case.
Also I'm sure he'll get an uptick in business if it goes viral.
Edit: iced in tea fada
