2024 ELECTION THREAD

I think you blew that a bit. It's "all odd numbers are prime" and and then "3,5,7,9 is... experimental error, 11, 13 and so on."

I appreciate the spirit of this desire for moderation but I fail to see the point of it

Not a single vote will be decided or swung by what is in this thread or subsequent threads between now and the end of time, we also no longer live in a world in which we can agree on what is when basic reality and we also no longer live in a world where hate speech, implicit or explicit, is taboo. Showing respect to people who have different opinions than you do is very different from showing respect to people who trade in race baiting, peddling their fictitious alternate reality as the one true reality, and it is, tbh, insulting to act like these people deserve to be normalized and treated without insult or the way they would have been treated if they dared crawled out of their caves 20 years ago

Everyone who posts ITT has picked their side. Nobody is switching sides. That’s fine. That means the purpose of this thread is effectively little more than letting the air out of the balloon in what is already pretty volatile times. Not saying it should go as far as ‘no rules allowed’ but the idea that personal attacks are punished more than toxic lies about reality or outright racism is….to put it mildly….odd

Edit: using playbig as an example. He can spew whatever complete bullshit he got from the far reaches of Twitter or rumble that fly in the face of reality, which is a complete representation of the disconnect people have that have brought us to this point, and rather than ridicule him at every turn without treating his crap as anything with an ounce of merit I’m supposed to either ignore him completely (which I’m down for if everyone else does and he finds himself speaking into an abyss) or if I do engage him I’m supposed to normalize him and debate bad faith nonsense in good faith and make him feel heard?

My money is on the Peter Thiel and whoever his lot pick to champion their brand of libertarianism

Defund the mods?

This. Very much this.

Certain people want it to seem that they are being insulted because of "disagreements". I guess, yeah, I think you're a scumbag and you don't, but that's the only substantive disagreement here.

Because it can be agreed upon when a personal attack has been made, but what you consider a toxic lie or racism isn't universal?

I mean….technically I guess?

And there's the crux of the issue. The rules don't punish conduct that is more egregious, they punish conduct that is easier to objectively identify.

PB is so idiotic that no one here takes him remotely seriously, not even the other conspiracy theorists. And some people enjoy needling him about his idiocy.

This is basically it

I could sit here and say ‘**** your mother for not swallowing’ to a poster who says ‘Haitians are eating dogs and causing crime’ and I would be banned 100 times out of 100 whereas poster X would be banned 0 times out of 100 even though more people would agree the second post is more vile than mine, but everyone would agree my post was clearly an insult

And I’m not even saying poster X should be banned. I’m saying I shouldn’t for responding accordingly as opposed to ‘tell me more’ or ‘show your work’

Which is fine, but I think letting him push election conspiracy nonsense so close to the finish line is a bit much. He was contained for 2020 election conspiracy nonsense, and that was after the fact.

I created the old conspiracy containment thread. I obviously am fine with PB containment.

Not voting or a protest vote is what they think best aligns with their priorities though. I don’t see this as any different from what everyone else is doing. The party should convince them that doing so isn’t actually aligned with their priorities.

If voters made a genuine mistake they regret, I don’t see how they deserve blame for that either. I don’t think you can never blame a voter ever. On a poker forum, go for it. But it seems pretty insane to me to for a party or pundit to denigrate some group if you would rather they vote for your side.

Still seeing numbers that indicate a clear Harris victory everywhere. Turnout is huge, and when turnout is high, democrats win in all the swing states, historically. Female turnout is through the roof. Every indication is the polling of the last month has been an absolute joke, and every indicator before that was a clear Harris victory.

I don't see how any Trumper without their head in the sand would be remotely confident.

And sure enough, the GOP is panicking and Trump's tweets are hilariously panicked.

So from what I can tell here seem to be the arguments for why each candidate will win

Trump:
Outperformed polling both times before and will again.
It's true that he did and if you put 2020 or 2016 error in in the same direction, he wins and margins will be closer to 2012 than the elections after.
- Possible, but error direction and magnitude has not been that easy to predict historically
Trump:
Bunch of nonsense related to voter fraud
-Just wrong and not even worth paying attention to
Harris:
Polls have underestimated Dems since Dodds so Harris will win by a few points in tipping point states
- Again possible, but same response as to the Trump side
Harris
Trump/Musk get out the vote efforts are really bad and costing them a point or 2 in swing states
- I don't really know how to measure that and it's sort of an inside baseball just trust me bro thing that we can't really evaluate. it also fits into pre-existing stereotypes about people like Musk and Trump being incompetent
Harris:
Republicans already screaming fraud means they know they are losing
- Presupposes internal polling different from what we have and I don't see why they wouldn't lie about fraud regardless.

Both sides say early voting favors them, but I don't really see anything more convincing than tea leaf reading.

I've not seen anyone saying early vote numbers favor trump. At least no one that isn't just a trumper saying crap.

Seems like that's just being an adult. If I am told over and over again to do Y and choose not to, then after the fact think "dam, I should have done Y"; I have no problem accepting 100% of the blame for my mistake.

Can't we reenable the conspiracy containment thread and get back to the old, "Cite or ban" by a mod and do some banning around here?

All of this **** reposted from X that's easily disproved shouldn't have a home here.

Naively they are just blindly compared to 2020 but that’s obviously flawed. I haven’t seen much from non Harris supporters on why early vote is good for her either. All the arguments I made I’ve heard from only partisans.

The Republican nominee for president yesterday:

1. Said at a rally he is more Greek than Giannis
2. Mimicked blowing a microphone

Is this what Vance meant by ‘normal gays’?

That’s fine and I don’t disagree but I’m not talking about the individual coming to a personal realization. The people who have had a change of heart more than likely came to that as a result of seeing a Trump administration in action, not being castigated. Choosing to blame them isn’t helping but considering who you failed to reach (whose issue isn’t totally outside the bounds of the party’s identity) might.

Anyone who believes either side has an edge is either just guessing or is an idiot