2024 ELECTION THREAD

oh ok so it wasn't about what we discussed in this forum, ie purported violations of electoral law, it was about purported violations of gambling laws? how can it be gambling if the participants don't pay anything? no idea

matthews: “should you ban it?”

“you have to ban it … there has to be some form of punishment”

Most friends who traded actively in the last weeks closed their positions around 58-42, it feels like a pure-RNG lottery at this point from where we sit.

That means nothing .
Just means more people in aggregates voted.

In % trump got crush in 2020 .
If I remember correctly , he had a bigger defeat in % vs biden then those that got best by Obama .

The higher nominal number of votes would just actually enforce the confidence level .
Seeing how trump got crush has more voters participated is not a great look being crush so badly in % .

ah that's bad.

i think his position has changed in the past 8 years.

flippy floppy just like kamala.

the biggest lie in there is him saying he's pro-life. he doesn't give a ****. just says that for the church vote.

that's the specific avenue that this Pennsylvania office can use to attack it and keep the case in PA. it effects the citizens of Pennsylvania if someone is running a scam lottery drawing targeting their citizens.

it still could be against federal election law and that is still contested, that's just not the matter this case is dealing with.

I’m pretty sure if anything he is pro-abortion lol. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has personally paid for more than one abortion.

When did he say that? 2020? it was a very stupid position to take and he should have prepared a lot better on the topic, especially if it was 2020 he could have pointed to radical liberal physicians and so on as the people to punish.

Anyway it's kinda grotesque how much both the right and the left are obsessed by abortion in the USA

Again, how if participation is free? btw from your article i get the sense that the lawyers are claiming it's not a lottery not to admit guilt, rather to ask for lottery laws not to be applied.

Which i suppose means that PA laws regulates free lotteries as well? nice state

Pretty sure he is european-like in that topic, in the sense of pro first trimester, against unless there are specific justifications later on.

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This is the same error Gorgonian is making. I don't care what was warned or what you think about what happened. I want a clear winner on election night.

I know it's uber difficult to see past your own nose, but what you think about it is kind of irrelevant. We're debating what caused the 100m+ otherwise intelligent human beings to think the election was rigged.

This is what caused it.

I hope that doesn't happen again.

The one shot "dump" looked horrible yes and THAT specifically wasn't something people were prepared for (and afaik, never happened before in american history).

For some reason they packed all pro Biden mail votes and submitted them all at once or something like that for a significant portion of votes, and that's insane

im guessing you are arguing against essentially using the terms lottery and sweepstakes interchangeably. i personally have no knowledge if PA state law defines them differently or not and don't care to take the time to look it up. it's clear though that both require some version of "winners chosen at random" which is why this particular DA thinks that elon's attorney massively stumbled when saying the winners were chosen deliberately

ah ok so i read it wrongly, so the DA is using the purported admission that it was not random to claim it's a fraudulent scheme.

No idea at all about PA law but i still don't see who the victims of the fraud would be

Wisconsin doesn't register voters to a particular party, so whoever made that chart is straight up making it up as they go along.

Edit: I'm an idiot, but also leaving this up, so I don't care.

I wouldn't call any of the 100M+ people who thought (or still think) the 2020 election was rigged 'intelligent'

the victims would be the people(pa citizens which the state has an interest to protect) that "entered"/completed the conditions and never actually had a chance to "win" because the winner was never going to be selected randomly.

what is the desired outcome? i dont really know and i anticipate it wont be in the news too much after tomorrow.

what? the “dump” clearly shows both candidates receiving votes at the same time.

edit: also you act like having an election during a worldwide pandemic happens every day, of course the votes looked different than normal.

Gorgonian didn't make an error. Gorgonian didn't say a single thing about what he thought happened. Gorgonian told you what happened and that what was going to happen was clearly known about ahead of time so anyone that didn't know what was happening had no one to blame for it but themselves.

Gorgonian says you are the one making the error: thinking that your or others' ignorance excuses their behavior.

It doesn't.

I seem to recall (but I am too lazy to look it up) that those two states, along with others, have some weird rules about reporting mail-in and other early voting that keeps them from reporting until later. So it's going to happen again.

Are you starting to see why absentee voting by mail is a thing, or nah?

If Trumpers can state that old people with no transportation can easily find a way to get to an election booth and vote in person, then it shouldn't be too hard to take your kids with you to vote, no?

Every state has their regulations as to when they tally their mall-in ballots. That always causes spikes and thus cries of fraud. It's pretty clear that 2024 will be worse than 2020.

Ok great, now that we've determined the election definitely wasn't rigged and that the vote counts looked positively normal for a pandemic, can we discuss how bad it will be if something similar to this happens again?