Trump 2nd term prediction thread

Who woulda thought eating healthy and pushing fitness would be a radical right wing position

The problem with low information, no critical thinking skills people is that they are so susceptible to sloganeering. You see someone saying they are "pro eating healthily" and automatically assume that person a). is telling the truth and b). knows what they're talking about simply because they are on "your team," even though he is a known batshit insane conspiracy theorist.

The radical right wing position isn't eating healthily. The radical, or I suppose now mainstream right wing position is being a total dumbass.

The idea that RFK is opposed because he wants people to be healthy and not because he's a colossal DF is hilarious.

Funny I never heard you guys critical of the selections of Merick Garland who proved he was totally incompetent and that good ole defense minister that checked himself into a hospital and never told anyone

As well as the two DEI's that Brian James pointed out the one stealing dresses at the airport

To your point, PB thinks he has a very healthy diet.

Whataboutttt some totally irrelevant **** because I can't think of a response.

Crayons and lead paint?

Yes bro, the democrats have been conjuring up hurricanes with their space lasers to hide the sun. Keep up.

Lulz.

pushing for fitness and good body shape is actually extremely right-wing coded.

the left went for years with "normalizing" fatness (which was beyond monstrous) , and you guys never admitted that was horrific and indefensible.

because glorifying good, healthy body shape is "suprematist" , not inclusive and so on.

and I guess you know that but you want to gliss over that because there is nothing that can defend the disgusting attempt by the left to make fatness great again

not lulz, it's basic non delegation theory.

congress (unfortunately) can ban substances.

but they shouldn't be legally allowed to delegate that power, because the constitution doesn't allow for that. they should need to pass a law banning a substance.

banning substances is a legislative power and it cannot be delegated to the executive branch.

government agencies can enforce those congressional decisions, or advise on whatever.

the idea those agencies can decide what people can consume is completely unconstitutional.

then there is the fact that plausibly congress isn't actually allowed to legislate on what residents of a state con sell buy produce or consume within that state, but that's a commerce clause problem.

but even if you allow congress to legislate on that (and that's already an insane stretch), giving that power to the executive is blatantly illegal

Lordy, I'm talking about RFK and the fact that certain mouth breathers take everything that dipshit says at face value purely because he is on "their side". I have no idea about whether or not the left normalised fatness, definitely not taking your word for it, and have no wish to discuss it because it has the square root of **** all to do with what I was talking about.

This by far was the single greatest ad, through voter feedback, that probably moved the needle big time!

I dunno, sounds like bs to me, but maybe one of the lawyers can chip in.

The market tanking today is indicative of people realizing Trump is headed to the golf course after putting the idiots in charge. They really are going to implement P2025. Tariffs, mass deportations, cutting government jobs, tax cuts for the top 1% and corporate overlords, eliminating the ACA. It's inflationary and anti-growth and people are realizing they bought the drill baby drill crap about the economy and we are actually in for an absolute economic disaster.

We hate to say we told you so.

i dk what trump 2.0 holds for markets, but it surged 5% when it became clear he'd be elected and is "tanking" 1% today because the odds fed cuts in december went down after powell's comments last night

in fairness, pharma stocks tanking are directly attributable to trump's appointments

I've been trying to think of how to reach Trump supporters and get them to understand what's currently going on in American politics and throughout the world for some time. Because putting aside the culture war BS, the core economic troubles of the working class should theoretically reach across party lines. It's a key reason we've had such a spike in populism.

I'd assume most Americans are exhausted of this division. I mean, why would you want to be in conflict with your neighbor, your family member, your old friend, etc... ? It's nonsense, and we've all allowed the media to manipulate us into this false reality. It's false, because we know when we remove political language from issues facing Americans, left and right overwhelmingly agree on the problems.

Step 1, is getting Trump supporters to understand how Neoliberal policies have actually impacted their lives.
This is a tricky one, but I think it's critical to explain from the ground up how each policy has negatively impacted them. It's a key reason working class families moved towards populism in the last decade+, and they are searching for answers and unfortunately taking the easiest ones that are offered to them. And as we know, often exploited by blaming people who aren't the cause. This is how the "deep state" was born, because average Americans know they are getting screwed, they just don't understand by whom.

Step 2, we have to get propaganda education into HS curriculum. I think 1 full year of teaching people the format of propaganda, and misinformation is crucial to our survival. We have people who have unlimited amounts of information at their fingertips now, without the proper tools to understand how to parse good information, from misinformation. Fun fact, the average IQ in America has had a 17 point drop since 1939.

Step 3, Restore people's faith in institutions. Define a clear process for explaining new legislation to everyday Americans in a transparent way. Press briefings aren't enough. There needs to be a new, and clearly defined model of policy explanation to everyday Americans. A clear summary, and an academic version of fiscal impact of policy at a local and national level.

That's at least where I'd start, because if we don't move towards understanding each other, we'll just end up repeating history in very ugly ways. I'd hope that none of us wants that.

Apologies for the below wall of text, but this is a chatgpt answer to how have neoliberal policies effected working class families in America w/ sources:

1. Wage Stagnation
Cause: Emphasis on deregulated markets and weakened labor protections reduced workers' bargaining power.
Effect: Real wages for many workers have remained flat since the 1970s, while productivity and corporate profits soared.
Source 1: https://www.epi.org/publication/charting...
Source 2: https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2021/articl...

2. Decline of Union Power
Cause: Policies restricting union organizing, such as "right-to-work" laws, and reduced enforcement of labor laws.
Effect: Union membership dropped, leading to weaker worker protections, fewer benefits, and diminished negotiating power for better wages and working conditions.
Source 1: https://www.americanprogress.org/article...
Source 2: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-d...

3. Outsourcing and Deindustrialization
Cause: Trade liberalization policies, such as NAFTA and other free trade agreements, encouraged corporations to move jobs overseas.
Effect: Loss of millions of manufacturing jobs, devastating working-class communities, particularly in the Midwest and industrial regions.
Source 1: https://www.brookings.edu/research/why-i...
Source 2: https://www.epi.org/publication/nafta-at...

4. Rising Income Inequality
Cause: Tax policies favoring the wealthy (e.g., lower capital gains taxes) and cuts to social welfare programs.
Effect: The gap between the rich and poor widened, with working families struggling to make ends meet as wealth concentrated at the top.
Source 1: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trend...
Source 2: https://www.inequality.org/facts/income-...

5. Erosion of Public Services
Cause: Budget cuts, privatization of public services (e.g., education, utilities), and reduced social spending.
Effect: Decreased access to affordable healthcare, education, and housing, disproportionately affecting working-class families.
Source 1: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...
Source 2: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article...

6. Job Insecurity
Cause: The rise of "gig economy" jobs and casual labor due to deregulation of labor markets.
Effect: Many workers faced unstable incomes, lack of benefits, and insufficient protections, leading to economic precarity.
Source 1: https://hbr.org/2018/02/the-gig-economy-...
Source 2: https://www.epi.org/publication/the-evol...

7. Higher Education Costs
Cause: Cuts in public funding for universities and a shift toward treating education as a private good.
Effect: Skyrocketing tuition fees and student loan debt burden working-class families, limiting social mobility.
Source 1: https://www.theatlantic.com/education/ar...
Source 2: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-co...

8. Housing Crisis
Cause: Deregulation of the mortgage industry and speculative real estate markets.
Effect: Rising housing costs, gentrification, and a lack of affordable housing, making it difficult for working-class families to own homes or find stable housing.
Source 1: https://www.urban.org/research/publicati...
Source 2: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/09/us-housi...

9. Healthcare Access and Costs
Cause: Privatization and commodification of healthcare services.
Effect: High medical costs and inadequate insurance left many working-class families struggling with debt or unable to access necessary care.
Source 1: https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publica...
Source 2: https://www.kff.org/health-costs/issue-b...

10. Tax Burden Shifts
Cause: Reduction of corporate tax rates and tax cuts for the wealthy.
Effect: A larger share of the tax burden shifted to working families through payroll taxes and consumption taxes.
Source 1: https://itep.org/who-pays-taxes-in-ameri...
Source 2: https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-ta...

11. Environmental Degradation
Cause: Deregulation of environmental protections in favor of corporate interests.
Effect: Working-class families, often in industrial or rural areas, face pollution, health risks, and job loss due to climate change impacts.
Source 1: https://www.epa.gov/environmentaljustice
Source 2: https://www.nrdc.org/stories/environment...

12. Privatization of Infrastructure
Cause: Selling off public utilities and infrastructure to private companies.
Effect: Increased costs for essential services like water, electricity, and transportation, disproportionately affecting low-income families.
Source 1: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/12/us/po...
Source 2: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/priva...

13. Loss of Job Benefits
Cause: Shift from full-time, secure employment to part-time, contract, or gig work with minimal benefits.
Effect: Fewer working-class families have access to employer-provided healthcare, pensions, or paid leave.
Source 1: https://www.epi.org/publication/the-decl...
Source 2: https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2019/articl...

14. Food Insecurity
Cause: Cuts to welfare programs like SNAP and the rise of low-wage jobs.
Effect: Many working-class families struggle to afford basic necessities, leading to reliance on food banks and charity.
Source 1: https://www.feedingamerica.org/research/...
Source 2: https://www.cbpp.org/research/food-assis...

15. Weakening of Labor Laws
Cause: Policies that favored employers over employees, reducing penalties for wage theft and unsafe working conditions.
Effect: Increased workplace exploitation and reduced safety for workers.
Source 1: https://www.nelp.org/publication/ending-...
Source 2: https://www.epi.org/publication/working-...

16. Displacement from Communities
Cause: Globalization and the decline of local industries due to free trade agreements.
Effect: Families were forced to migrate or commute long distances for work, disrupting social cohesion.
Source 1: https://www.brookings.edu/research/how-g...
Source 2: https://www.epi.org/publication/how-glob...

17. Rising Consumer Debt
Cause: Stagnant wages paired with easy credit.
Effect: Working-class families increasingly relied on loans and credit cards, leading to mounting debt and financial instability.
Source 1: https://www.newyorkfed.org/microeconomic...
Source 2: https://www.federalreserve.gov/publicati...

18. Limited Childcare Support
Cause: Neoliberal opposition to expanding public childcare programs.
Effect: High childcare costs burden working parents, especially mothers, limiting their ability to participate in the workforce.
Source 1: https://www.americanprogress.org/article...
Source 2: https://www.epi.org/publication/the-econ...

19. Erosion of Retirement Security
Cause: Shift from defined-benefit pensions to defined-contribution plans like 401(k)s.
Effect: Many workers face insufficient retirement savings, with greater risk placed on individuals rather than employers.
Source 1: https://www.nirsonline.org/reports/retir...
Source 2: https://www.cbpp.org/research/economy/th...

20. Criminal Justice Policies
Cause: Tough-on-crime policies that disproportionately affected low-income and minority communities.
Effect: Increased incarceration rates disrupted families and limited economic opportunities for affected communities.
Source 1: https://www.sentencingproject.org/
Source 2: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/a...

Fun fact, 90% of the newly added federal debt since 2000, is deficit spending on tax cuts. The federal debt has tripled since 2006.

Gorgon, go and pet your cats or something. No-one here is interested in your dopey predictions. OK

No. The United States, not the world. If you don't think he's trying to disempower government institutions for personal gain, then you haven't been paying attention.

I can't say that I'm terribly worried. We, the United States that is, defeated his efforts last time. And even if there are not enough sane people in Congress, he's fat, elderly, and eats a worse diet than PlayBig.

that’s a legal theory. is it supported by current interpretation of the laws or is it your preferred interpretation?

the fda is regulating sunshine and exercise now? lol

even though I agree with some of the stuff on the list he says it in an aggressively ******ed way.

Here's an ancillary fun fact - multiple, long-term studies have found no correlation between lower tax rates and higher economic growth, even though that disproven mantra is used by the 1% to fool the masses to vote in politicians pushing tax cuts for the wealthy.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tax-cuts-rich-50-years-no-trickle-down/

cbsnews

50 years of tax cuts for the rich failed to trickle down, economics study says

Another fun fact - In 2012, Republicans demanded a non-partisan Congressional Research Study be withdrawn that showed no correlation between top tax rates and economic growth.

The Congressional Research Service has withdrawn an economic report that found no correlation between top tax rates and economic growth, a central tenet of conservative economic theory, after Senate Republicans raised concerns about the paper’s findings and wording.

The decision, made in late September against the advice of the agency’s economic team leadership, drew almost no notice at the time. Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, cited the study a week and a half after it was withdrawn in a speech on tax policy at the National Press Club.

But it could actually draw new attention to the report, which questions the premise that lowering the top marginal tax rate stimulates economic growth and job creation.

“This has hues of a banana republic,” Mr. Schumer said. “They didn’t like a report, and instead of rebutting it, they had them take it down.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/business/questions-raised-on-withdrawal-of-congressional-research-services-report-on-tax-rates.html

nytimes

Nonpartisan Tax Report Withdrawn After G.O.P. Protest (Published 2012)

RFK says sensible (downright obvious) stuff, then moves over to his mad un-scientific conspiracy bullshit. Unfortunately a lot people can't tell the difference.

He thinks eating healthy and exercising it good, we agree with that, so we'll agree when he says 5G is used by the government to control us.

Then people like Luciom will make disingenuous arguments that if you are against his 5G nonsense you also oppose healthy eating.