Trump 2nd term prediction thread

Calling illegals (or other human groups) rats, cockroaches or similar words.

You know, words that do deny their human nature (=dehumanizing).

Vilification a isn't necessarily dehumanization

You should tell that to Clinton DoJ that in 1999 wrote a report on illegal aliens

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-librar...

"Undocumented" was chosen carefully to make it sound like someone just misplaced their paperwork. Everyone knew that "illegal alien" meant someone that was in the country without legal status. But, people are sensitive so we couldn't say that anymore. "Unauthorized" would be much better.

Seems to me to be a term that disambiguates those who engage in conduct that can be either legal or illegal depending on specific circumstances or context, for example "illegal cannabis grower", "illegal drug user", "illegal immigrant". At least I suspect that's how it was originally intended, I can sort of see why it might be considered objectionable although in general I'm not a fan of overly policing language in the interests of political correctness.

It's like the Happy holidays instead of Merry Christmas nonsense.

Why should I tell them that? It seems to bother you more than me. Why don't you tell them that?

I have no idea why you guys are assuming I give even two squirts how any us legislation is worded. I was asked why I used the term I did. I'm not on some crusade about it. Quit being freaking weird about it.

So you agree Trump calling people “vermin” qualifies.

Are there examples of other American politicians using dehumanizing language?

It will make us great again when we ship back those 60,000 criminals across our northern border. Get them back where they belong.

Those are the white ones. Too tough to weed out. Let's just stick with the brown ones this time ok?

Of course, language is often manipulated to influence public opinion, whether it's euphemisms, sensationalist language, loaded terms, etc.

The pro-choice crowd doesn't say "pro-life" anymore. These days, it tends to be "anti-choice" because there's a negative connotation associated with that, and it emphasizes the "choice" aspect of the issue and dismisses the "life" part. "Pro-choice" and "pro-life" are good terms because they both clearly convey what each side considers to be of central importance. If we were to describe one side as "pro" and the other as "anti," it would make sense for those terms to be "pro-abortion" and "anti-abortion," as those both plainly state each sides' position on the issue without putting an emphasis on the reason.

Then there are things like changing "homeless" to "unhoused," and I can't see any reason for that accept to **** with people.

It really doesn't. For instance, I'm very pro-choice but anti-abortion.

detail: people saying "undocumented" often want to mandate that to everyone. there are subreddits and other places online where you get banned if you say illegals.

they put"undocumented " in the research papers funded by taxpayer money, in the official documents when they govern and so on

I can understand that position. There are things that I consider wrong that I don't think should be illegal. For the most part, they'd have to be discussed on a case by case basis.

Anyway, the point is that this kind of language should be as neutral as possible. More accurate terms would be "for legalized abortion" and "against legalized abortion," but at the same time, "pro-abortion," as far as I can tell, implies someone's view on the legality of abortions, not that abortion is necessarily a good thing, and I think most people would interpret it that way. It is a fair point, though.

To be clear, I don't think abortion is wrong, I just would never have one unless absolutely necessary. I just don't think my decision about that should matter for anyone else.

I think pro-choice and pro-forced-birth seem to be most accurate. It's hard for terms to be neutral when one of them is so despicable of a position that simply describing it accurately feels so negative.

There seems to be a contradiction between the first two sentences. If you don't think it's wrong, why would you never have one unless absolutely necessary? I imagine there's a reason for that, and if it's not a moral one, what is it? With regard to the last sentence, if you mean that others shouldn't be subject to your morality, that would make more sense, but that's not what the first two sentences imply.

I’d agree with the above.

is gorgo a woman?

I don't know. I don't think so, but either way, you're being pedantic. He's suggesting that he would never be in favor of his wife/girlfriend having an abortion unless it was absolutely necessary.

"Absolutely necessary" is a bit ambiguous, but if his argument is something else, he can clarify.

Calling people garbage? Is that dehumanising?

No it isn't, same as if they call some people "a national treasure" that isn't dehumanizing either.

You are still allowed to rank people from the worst possible in your mind to the best possible or anything in between, that's a very human thing to do.

Vilification isn't dehumanization.

And btw dehumanization isn't necessarily morally wrong (it can be against the rules in some places including here though). But i think many people will dehumanize nazis or pedophiles or whatever other group they think behave in ways that are incompatible with human nature, and in some cases they might be right.

I don't think it's pedantic. He says he won't ever choose for other people, that includes his wife, girlfriend, daughter and so on (if he is a man). If he is a man , to write "i won't have an abortion ever" is completly meaningless, quite absurd actually, when meant in the sense of choosing it.

I'm not sure that helps your analogy, since pineapple on pizza should definitely be illegal, and whoever came up with the idea should be unceremoniously shot. Actually, Playbig, are you able to use your channels to contact RFK and make one or both of those things happen?

Imagine claiming that pineapple on pizza isn't a moral issue, when there is an italian in the conversation