My results of grinding 2NL 5NL 10NL 25NL 50NL 100NL

My results of grinding 2NL 5NL 10NL 25NL 50NL 100NL

Hello everyone, I want to share with you my 20 days result with 50$ deposit on GGpoker

2NL was awful, after like 15k hand

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11 September 2023 at 12:13 PM
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by BiLLAllas k

Great. Thanks for the confirmation!

I was already starting to doubt my own thoughts. Now I feel like a real solver!

Np. But keep in mind this is BTNvBB and not very precise in any way. A decent half-stack player will have a tighter SBvBTN flatting range which will change things. The solve also assumes 100bb preflop ranges. Someone with GTOwiz could give a better solve for this.


by Shipnickle k

Np. But keep in mind this is BTNvBB and not very precise in any way. A decent half-stack player will have a tighter SBvBTN flatting range which will change things. The solve also assumes 100bb preflop ranges. Someone with GTOwiz could give a better solve for this.

From my own experience in RnC pool when i loosened my play vs 50bb stack either it was preflop shove or postflop stack off they had standard strong range too often, not too far off ranges from 100bb deep, sometimes we assume if villain has half stack he will just stack off a lot lighter than if he had 100bb, this is not always the case imo especially vs regs


To sum up off-table work

* RFI strategy (done)
* Defense from BB strategy (done)
* SB vs BB strategy (done)
* BB/SB strategy unraised pot (done)
* 3Betting strategy IP (done)
* 3Betting strategy OOP (done)
* Calling vs CO-BTN 3bets (done)
* Calling vs SB-BB 3bets (not finished yet)
* 4bet strategy (not finished yet)
* 5bet strategy (not finished yet)
* 9max strategy for live games (not finished yet)

Will be very interesting to test my new strategy but not easy to memorize, if i will be able to beat RnC on GG that will be very huge, after that regular tables with good table select will be super easy imo

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by blazar k

To sum up off-table work

* RFI strategy (done)
* Defense from BB strategy (done)
* SB vs BB strategy (done)
* BB/SB strategy unraised pot (done)
* 3Betting strategy IP (done)
* 3Betting strategy OOP (done)
* Calling vs CO-BTN 3bets (done)
* Calling vs SB-BB 3bets (not finished yet)
* 4bet strategy (not finished yet)
* 5bet strategy (not finished yet)
* 9max strategy for live games (not finished yet)

Will be very interesting to test my new strategy but not easy to memorize, if i will be able to beat RnC on G

*what is ur 3Bet -CALL strategy IP against tight passive players in ZoomgameS``??????


by blazar k

To sum up off-table work

* RFI strategy (done)
* Defense from BB strategy (done)
* SB vs BB strategy (done)
* BB/SB strategy unraised pot (done)
* 3Betting strategy IP (done)
* 3Betting strategy OOP (done)
* Calling vs CO-BTN 3bets (done)
* Calling vs SB-BB 3bets (not finished yet)
* 4bet strategy (not finished yet)
* 5bet strategy (not finished yet)
* 9max strategy for live games (not finished yet)

Will be very interesting to test my new strategy but not easy to memorize, if i will be able to beat RnC on G

by BiLLAllas k

*what is ur 3Bet -CALL strategy IP against tight passive players in ZoomgameS``??????

As you can see above, it's not finished yet and im still thinking about it

Atm my thinking process is like: if their 3bet range is super strong there is no point of 4betting with TT/JJ type of hands because they will shove on me too often maybe its better to mix those hands with AA/KK and put it in calling range like a balanced strategy but im not sure yet

Also I'm considering a strategy to shove with AKo/KK/A5s vs their 3bets, so my shoving frequency will be high thanks to mainly AKo/A5s and mixing it with KK will be hard for them if they decide to call my preflop jams with JJ-QQ-AK type of hands, im thinking of KK mainly because KK needs more protection then AA because we're always afraid of A flops and to use KK as a jam tool can be more acceptable, considering how tight is the pool i may get folds from JJ/QQ too often vs my jams and i will be happy because my jamming frequency will be higher with AKo A5s than KK


by blazar k

As you can see above, it's not finished yet and im still thinking about it

Okay


Can't help but feel you're levelling yourself here over these games.

It will be interesting to see the graph.


by Masq k

Can't help but feel you're levelling yourself here over these games.

It will be interesting to see the graph.

In theory it’s nice but i need to test it in practice, until then i can’t say anything, will do it as soon as i finish with calling vs BB-SB 3bets strategy, i have so many thoughts and ways to go with it probably ill need a day or two


5bet strategy for RnC pool is little tricky, GG hood doesn’t show 4bet stats and tracking sites don’t track RnC which means there is no way to get info about 4bet stats which creates little chaos because if player 4bets only AA KK there is no point to 5bet shove with AK but if player has high 4bet shoving with AK becomes mandatory, i dont know what to do really


by blazar k

5bet strategy for RnC pool is little tricky, GG hood doesn’t show 4bet stats and tracking sites don’t track RnC which means there is no way to get info about 4bet stats which creates little chaos because if player 4bets only AA KK there is no point to 5bet shove with AK but if player has high 4bet shoving with AK becomes mandatory, i dont know what to do really

You answered your own question.

Your play will vary based on the other player and reads / notes.


by Masq k

You answered your own question.

Your play will vary based on the other player and reads / notes.

Notes become useful in smaller pools but when the pool is large we don't receive 4bets from same players too often and if we shove with AK and villain calls with AA does that mean we should make a note on that villain like "he only 4bets with AA"? we need 4bet stats based on larger sample otherwise it's no good

So even if i answered my own question still i can't find the solution


You seem to talk like this is some maths problem with one correct solution only. Poker is not like that.

If you want to base your play on the majority: the majority of people in those games are nits. The majority of people will only 4bet AA/KK and maybe AK (at a stretch).

If you face a 4bet, the solution is you fold AK in these pools unless we're talking about shallow stack depths.


by Masq k

You seem to talk like this is some maths problem with one correct solution only. Poker is not like that.

If you want to base your play on the majority: the majority of people in those games are nits. The majority of people will only 4bet AA/KK and maybe AK (at a stretch).

If you face a 4bet, the solution is you fold AK in these pools unless we're talking about shallow stack depths.

Now discussion goes in right direction, so it's realistic that even tight villain will 4bet with AK mainly because of blockers and fold equity also to balance his 4bet range little bit, so we assume villains 4bet range consists with AA KK AK and maybe sometimes QQ, i think that tight type of villain will just flat call with QQ instead of 4betting

Based on this information maybe i should fold AK vs 4bets but call with QQ JJ (instead of jamming) just to set mine and hope villain has AK, maybe call one cbet and fold to double barrel even with QQ


Calling a 4bet with QQ/JJ to set mine doesn't sound right. Maybe if you're really deep. You need the right price to call for set mining and at 100bb effective stacks it's unlikely you're getting that price to make a profitable call.


by Masq k

Calling a 4bet with QQ/JJ to set mine doesn't sound right. Maybe if you're really deep. You need the right price to call for set mining and at 100bb effective stacks it's unlikely you're getting that price to make a profitable call.

We’re not purely calling to setmine, villains 4betting range consists of also AK and chance villain to get dealt AK is slightly more than AA+KK combined so if we don’t hit a set we can still win vs AK on showdowns half of the time so idk how’s the math maybe still not worth the call? If villain double or triple barrels with AK then our strategy no good

Also keep in mind we only call one cbet so our investment is 4bet call + one 33% cbet call (it’s roughly 25BB) and when we hit a set we get full stacks from AA KK


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Someone in this thread said that i don't need balanced strategy vs fish, lately i was thinking about this subject

There are some types of players, even regs, some regs play very carefully, they don't bluff, they don't call light, some regs are more advanced, they bluff and they call down light if they suspected we're double barreling with weak hands and also fishes come in different types too

Is it a really bad idea to play balanced vs all? well if i dont play balanced i need to bluff less and play more ABC poker, even some fishes will just bet and take down free pots in this way, i'm not sure if i want this

Maybe i should pick 1 or 2 type of players and just play ABC only vs them, like if a player only bets when they have a hand, vs that type i shouldnt be afraid to lose in redline and fold everytime they bet but maybe not, maybe i should play balanced vs all and just dont go river bluffs and crazy river plays vs some specific type of players but double barrel as usual?


by blazar k

Someone in this thread said that i don't need balanced strategy vs fish, lately i was thinking about this subject

There are some types of players, even regs, some regs play very carefully, they don't bluff, they don't call light, some regs are more advanced, they bluff and they call down light if they suspected we're double barreling with weak hands and also fishes come in different types too

Is it a really bad idea to play balanced vs all? well if i dont play balanced i need to bluff less and pla

There is no point in playing balanced range vs fish. Why would you play against fish like that? fish cant put you in any range.
Fish only sees his own hand and the cards on the board.

I think you want to play ABC mostly against Maniacs.

A good balanced strategy works better if you play against good ones.

Tell me if I'm wrong.


It's not bad to play balanced, it's just not very profitable because people aren't paying attention anyway. Most regs at these limits don't even know what types of hands need to be bluffing or defending and for what sizing in many spots, so the notes they take will often lead to wrong adjustments. Just make decisions that seem most profitable in the moment. If your crazy play gets caught, just make a note that they saw you doing something bonkers so you have an idea how they might adjust.


what's the difference between balanced and ABC?


by Keruli k

what's the difference between balanced and ABC?

I think ABC refers to playing face up


by Shipnickle k

I think ABC refers to playing face up

that would imply never bluffing...?


by BiLLAllas k

There is no point in playing balanced range vs fish. Why would you play against fish like that? fish cant put you in any range.
Fish only sees his own hand and the cards on the board.

I think you want to play ABC mostly against Maniacs.

A good balanced strategy works better if you play against good ones.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

I'm thinking what should i change and how far should i depart from my strategy vs fish, maybe i should just size down with mediocre hands and i can get same fold frequency anyway

Because if fish doesn't like flop he wont call anyway no matter the size, even if i bet 1BB, if fish likes his hand or he's on a draw he will call anyway no matter how much i bet

So this way i can manipulate, i can increase sizing dramatically with nutty hands and they not even notice what im doing to them, betting really small with mediocre hands and going super big with nutty hands


by Keruli k

what's the difference between balanced and ABC?

I have this idea that ABC poker is more of a straight forward poker. I think a lot of rakeback grinders play abc.

I think Gto is a Balanced strategy.


by Keruli k

that would imply never bluffing...?

they rarely bluff but sure they bluff some missed nut draws on the river.

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