***Official H&F LC Thread***

Soulbro,

Not sure who this Luigi fella is, but life expectancy is a terrible metric for a health care system. Life expectancy is heavily influenced by the rates of homicide, suicide, accidental deaths, etc.

US healthcare costs all because health insurance company greed. Right…

Let’s not touch on our pharmaceutical intake vs rest of world. Or that we’re fat. Or how much our doctors get paid vs rest of civilized world. How quickly would doctors push for universal healthcare in USA?

Haven’t heard of any good plans for it out of anyone, politicians or otherwise.

hc post tbh

Great post. Def could not have written something that perfectly addresses the issue.

He killed the United Healthcare CEO. Basically Soulbro is taking a generic shitlib stance of "Killing random folks is good for ideology I agree with", but can't understand that the whole concept of "killing random folks" is a bad idea.

But yes, life expectancy isn't used in medical research for the reasons you espoused. We can keep people alive for an extended period, and this is actually one of the reasons US healthcare is so absurdly expensive.

Consolidating various government plans and gradually increasing subsidies for larger tranches of supported care year by year would be a good start. Standardizing emergency medical care seems like an incredibly difficult problem, but creating a singular healthcare system out of the various current plans seems reasonable.

One thing to note is that doctor fraud in the 80s/90s is pretty much why we're in this situation. If you have dental insurance and ever see the bill they send to the insurance company, whew lad. Private practice healthcare is basically white collar crime.

Zzzz.

Have you ever considered that your abuse of the English language in the form of laughable hyper aggression is a reason for your limited ability to discuss in a calm and rational manner with people? I assume you are, of course, similarly inclined irl.

Since you're literally too stupid (see what I did there) to understand my SUPER NUANCED poast, I'll spell it out for you. I don't literally mean that Luigi should have killed the CEO. In fact, I'm against vigilante murdering. Wow! Scorching hot take.

Edit: though the public reaction to the murder is interesting.

People with cool ideologies that are probably +EV overall can still do some really dumb and evil **** in the name of that ideology.

You can support a man's ideas without supporting specific actions.

So is this where we stop to consider the potentially positive second order effects of the Holocaust?

Every human being has something of value that they brought to the table.

I dno man, he said my post was great. I'm gonna vote Thremp to Make H&F Great Again. Gonna make it hyuge and put it on the map.

tbf it was objectively an excellent post. Shades of the GOAT anklebreaker (RIP).

The last guy who was gonna put H&F on the map died an early death cause he couldn't put down a 7UP or a pizza or eating like a family of 4, so imma pass on that one. I'll stick with calling out edgelord comments glorifying terrorism by shitty fathers.

If we didn't know you, this would be a great "Tell me you are not aboriginal without telling me you're not aboriginal. "

Serious question, though. Do they make the same recommendations for the aboriginal folks with regards to hats, sunscreen, skin checks, etc. I'm sure that even they would derive some benefit, but obviously it's very different for a pasty white bro.

I honestly have no idea as I don’t receive/consume any media/Gubmint messages targeted specifically at Indigenous people.

But I’d be amazed if they were told they didn’t need to be concerned about it. I’ve never studied the data and I’m certain that they would be less at risk than people from other ethnic origins but we still have the higher rate of skin cancer in the world as a country given the hole in the ozone layer

Other thing is that I don’t remember being told to get my skin checked every year either by a doctor or Gubmint. I just do it. I live by the beach and I’m outside in the sun a lot, so it just feels like the smart thing to do. Same as getting all my bloods checked each year to see how the organs, cholesterol, prostate etc are performing. Just something worth doing

The ozone hole thing was and continues to be complete bullshit in relation to Australia.

Southern Hemisphere (orbit makes sun stronger) + White People = Skin cancer

I wasn't really asking about that. I was wondering if indigenous people got caught up in polices that were not intended for them.

For example, an Aussie teacher I was talking to once told me that schools there have a policy where they won't let the kids go out to play without a hat and/or sunscreen (don't remember the details). Seems like very little benefit for aboriginal kids but she said that they have to do it too. On the other hand, applying a policy based on skin color seems like it would problematic, no matter how much sense it might make.

This was about 15-20 years ago, so maybe things aren't the same any longer.

The aboriginal communities have way way bigger problems than that.

Huge issues with crime, poverty, sexual assault, violence against kids, addictions etc, particularly in remote indigenous communities. It can be horrific. And …certainly in Sydney and Melbourne, there are very very few indigenous people outside of a few, inner city and really tough areas.

There aren’t any aboriginal kids in my area at all and in 25 years here, I’ve never met a Aboriginal person in business.

Hey guys. What is going on here? This is just a drive by, as I have to do stuff and things, but looks like fun so I'll be back. And yes, I think the only thing that could get women turned off him is if some pictures show up with him standing next to tall dudes, so they see how small he is.

As an amusing aside, my wife (who isn't really political) was reading the story after Luigi was caught and the first thing she said upon reading the story was how sorry she felt for Luigi. And I had to remind her he was the murderer, not the victim.

Cant really blame her (or any other normie woman though). Fat faced middle age midwesterner vs. chiseled, handsome young coastal elite with tortured soul. Hard to fade 1 million years of evolution and go for the former.

Also, FWIW I thought Soulman's post was pretty milquetoast (especially for him, assuming his politics haven't changed in the last 10 years), and I would be disappointed if he wasn't at least mildly sympathetic towards the idea of murdering evil CEOs.

Some people are terrorism simps. These people are subhuman shitbags that should be reviled for the scum they are.

What it is about the UHC CEO that makes you think he was anymore evil than any other employee? Why wouldn't you be inclined to murder a doctor like Melkerson who is likely just as much a part of the machine as the CEO of an insurance company? Or not even someone who posts here, just a generic private practice medical bro (doctor/dentist/whatever) whose office commits 10s of thousands in white collar criminal fraud per day?

I think this has more to do with Luigi being hot and people hating "healthcare" in general.

When this is made into a movie, Luigi (played by someone who might look slightly worse than he actually does) will end up being some kind of flawed, misunderstood hero who is ultimately at fault, but very sympathetically at fault.

I think NotThremp's post was being more critical of a hypothetical leftist who might be sympathetic to the murder for ideological reasons, then someone who might be unconsciously sympathetic toward the murderer because he is physically attractive. But I could be wrong also.

So to go backward: I think the second part is pretty much spot on. I like the ayahuasca theory of his insanity, but that is pretty much spot on. Maybe we can get Michael B Jordan to play him in a similar sympathetic terrorist role.

On the first part: 1) I think it is most just women who care that he is hot. And many of the comments are mildly unnerving to completely deranged. 2) Most of the loathing for the US healthcare system is mostly just people who don't really understand how we ended up here. It is an incredibly complex issue that needs wholesale reform starting with some very uncomfortable stuff (tort reform, lower barriers to doctoring, accepting shitty doctors without financial recourse, etc). Without getting too into the weeds, a lot of this blame is inappropriately directed toward "greedy" insurance companies instead of private practice doctors who in this dystopian world would likely accumulate far more blame (pill mills aren't operated by public employ doctors) when we dole it out a bullet at a time.

Regardless, the glorification or even casual approval is pretty ****ed wrt terrorism. We could certainly discuss how the Holocaust had several knock on effects which the "eat the rich" folks would certainly agree with, but we can probably agree that randomly grabbing folks and killing them is bad. Then again I'm not sure some people agree with basic humanity anymore, hence why I consider them subhuman.

You are correct. I feel the murdering of innocent and random people for attention is wrong.

I have certainly heard more than a handful of flimsy justifications for terrorism regarding Israel recently, but I'm sure we can find our own shitlibs to support terrorism and a lack of human rights.

The attractive thing is rather disturbing, and does make me wonder whether we're going full loop to a nascent society that should simply have rich men in control.

I feel it is human nature to be sympathetic towards members of "your tribe" and dehumanize "the other," so I dont think it very useful to become too morally outraged when people engage in such behavior.

I think we should be hyper critical of socialists not because they are tribal (like everyone else), but because they have horrible ideas that make the world a worse place.

European socialists are not contemptible for their tribalism; they are contemptible because the deindustrialization and over-regulation they promote has clearly made the world a worse place, and they are too ideologically captured to realize and accept this.

There is definitely a utilitarian argument that human societies just dont seem to work under any other setup. And there does not appear to be a lot of empirical evidence to disprove this hypothesis.

You should read my replies first, before rushing to reply. I explained to you that the accepted means of showing a difference between two populations is through statistical methods, which you still can't seem to do. So, all you've said is just your opinion.

You're just beating a dead horse, repeating the same (data free) words over and over. You haven't proven dumber people tend to vote for Trump. Nothing in your walls of text comes close to proving it. So, as I said before, it's just your opinion, man.