Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
[QUOTE=Crossnerd]
yeah. because they expect more.
most people in west africa would prefer to have been born in europe or the us.
i grew up in east africa.
maybe the west is different.
Most people in West Africa understand about as much as what living in the West is really like as BOIDS and the other non-travelling disparagers do about what living in West Africa is like, ie everything is via the media and TV/films, and a very skewed portrait of both places is painted.
guessed it
Most people in West Africa understand about as much as what living in the West is really like as BOIDS and the other non-travelling disparagers do about what living in West Africa is like, ie everything is via the media and TV/films, and a very skewed portrait of both places is painted.
One thing is true though: more people want to leave those places than they want to go and live there.
That's a revealed preference objective element which proves that humanity in aggregate considers "the west" preferable to "west Africa".
Individual opinions can differ
How do you define smart and resourceful? In many contexts, one who is less smart and has less integrity can win by being deceitful and immoral, by acting in ways which threaten the overall stability supporting all. I think anyone with a job understands this, though they may or may not apply the dynamic more broadly to, say. international affairs.Say some financial institution g
Crossnerd, is it allowed under forum rules to define any country as cancer?
idk why you're suddenly talking about South Africa but I guess those places are all the same to you.I've lived in (for a year and again for six months) or travelled around three of the five countries you listed, plus another four in West Africa that you didn't list.I can confirm you're talking bollocks when you talk about "superiority". The median Western person is miserable c
Crossnerd, is it allowed under forum rules to compare human beings from different places and rank them in value as human beings? I kinda remember being banned from doing exactly that in the past
You answered after those monstrosities were already there, without banning, that's why I am asking.
Ban them en masse as you would if it was Mets or others.
And don't say "you guys", when this time it is exclusively the propal side who is going bananas, just ban them as you did ban the pro Israel side en masse often enough
One thing is true though: more people want to leave those places than they want to go and live there.
That's a revealed preference objective element which proves that humanity in aggregate considers "the west" preferable to "west Africa".
Individual opinions can differ
You are completely and utterly ignorant on the subject.
A TV documentary once offered some of the Maasai from East Africa the chance to see what life was like in the UK, which they took. At the end of the experiment their shared opinion was, paraphrasing "You have many things we don't have - phones, TVs, cars, buses etc - but you have no sense of community and family support and we feel very sad that you've lost your way as a society".
Ban them en masse as you would if it was Mets or others.
And don't say "you guys", when this time it is exclusively the propal side who is going bananas, just ban them as you did ban the pro Israel side en masse often enough
The only person who has been banned today is Karl. Is he pro Israel or have I missed something?
You, Blue and the others are the ones pushing the "Western superiority" bullshit. Someone has to correct you.
I was stationed in every west bank city for months at a time and broke into many homes at all hours. we do not go in just to establish an outpost, but to arrest Hamas operatives (and other militia operatives) or to gather weapons. We go in with Shabac and Aman intel and 95%+ the intel is proven to be correct. It is a very sad affair granted, but such is war. moreover, in times
I don’t doubt that you or many other men and women opted to stay in the IDF past conscription for a just and moral reason.
I also don’t doubt that many of you indeed did some good, nor that some of the intel was indeed correct and that some of the raids indeed resulted in justified arrests.
I do however have extreme doubts that this practise is used as a just cause as you seemingly claim. There is no other nation in this world that uses this practise on the scale that Israel does. If 95% of your intel is accurate, why not just eliminate them in public through covert operations like benevolent lovely states like USA does? Why break into their homes at all hours? Why terrorize them in front of their families?
There is precisely a 0.0% chance that a nation and army which breaks into thousands of homes and detains thousands of individuals every single year (more than 3000 of which are currently detained without charge or trial) does so on an ethical and moral basis.
You guys can go right ahead and justify this disgusting practise with your typical “it’s complicated, we’re dealing with terrorists” bs. Anyone with a beating heart and a functioning mind knows that any nation that does this is terrorizing the minority and therefore IS the terrorist.
What i would like would be free speech as i told you many times: only censor content which is illegal in the jurisdiction the servers are in.
But given the forum owners, and you guys as mods, have a different opinion, at the very least apply it symmetrically against all sides.
You are completely and utterly ignorant on the subject.A TV documentary once offered some of the Maasai from East Africa the chance to see what life was like in the UK, which they took. At the end of the experiment their shared opinion was, paraphrasing "You have many things we don't have - phones, TVs, cars, buses etc - but you have no sense of community and family support and
I have no idea of Masai immigration/emigration fluxes.
But i know that somalis en masse want to live in western countries while barely any western citizen wants to live in Somalia.
And that's what you call *objective proof* of a humankind preference for western countries vs somalia. Objective. The entire world might be wrong, but it is telling you western countries are better places to live in than Somalia, because of supply and demand, as with everything else.
You are completely and utterly ignorant on the subject.A TV documentary once offered some of the Maasai from East Africa the chance to see what life was like in the UK, which they took. At the end of the experiment their shared opinion was, paraphrasing "You have many things we don't have - phones, TVs, cars, buses etc - but you have no sense of community and family support and
The western anti immigration right actually agrees with this assessment. That is why they want all diversity to be eliminated and foreigners deported.
For good or bad, it seems diversity is inversely correlated with community, or social cohesion, as they frame the term.
A possible interesting exception to this is Israel, which is very cosmopolitan and diverse, but also is described as having a strong sense of community (at least by western standards). It is hypothesized that it is actually the existential threat Israelis face being surrounded by belligerent neighbors that vow their annihilation as part of what nurtures cohesion.
Of course progressives view Israelis as basically Demons for ideological reasons, so they cannot acknowledge this.
Just as they will argue culturally homogenous non white ethnostates are better than diverse western democracies; and are blind to the logical extension of their arguments; as they are just operating on a level one operating system of anti western animus.
I have no idea of Masai immigration/emigration fluxes.But i know that somalis en masse want to live in western countries while barely any western citizen wants to live in Somalia. And that's what you call *objective proof* of a humankind preference for western countries vs somalia. Objective. The entire world might be wrong, but it is telling you western countries are better pl
In fairness, people leave places like Somalia because it isn’t safe and they don’t have reliable access to food, water and shelter. And they may have no reasons beyond basic survival.
Of course you can argue having a more assured chance of basic survival is the main advantage of western civilization, and not any superficial cultural feature.
I have no idea of Masai immigration/emigration fluxes.But i know that somalis en masse want to live in western countries while barely any western citizen wants to live in Somalia. And that's what you call *objective proof* of a humankind preference for western countries vs somalia. Objective. The entire world might be wrong, but it is telling you western countries are better pl
FFS
Luciom: "I have nfi about anything to do with Kenya or Tanzania but let me choose a different country that has an ongoing civil war as an example of somewhere people might not want to live, and see if anyone will notice."
Cross I hadn't read this before reporting his post. You can ignore.
Well done here. A week was very kind/lenient.
In fairness, people leave places like Somalia because it isn’t safe and they don’t have reliable access to food, water and shelter. And they may have no reasons beyond basic survival.
Of course you can argue having a more assured chance of basic survival is the main advantage of western civilization, and not any superficial cultural feature.
Sure the reasons might vary but the fluxes exist and PROVE what human beings consider a better place definitionally.
Individuals can disagree, but the aggregate opinion of humanity is in the net fluxes in and out (or attempted fluxes ofc).
You can love a restaurant where you never need to reserve and which is often almost empty as much as you want. But you can't claim it's a popular restaurant or that people agree with you.
