Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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just one more thing to paint the picture - the militants don't wear uniforms and don't carry a sign - Im Hamas. That is why we have to engage every person in a "kill zone" area, as they are more than likely to be operatives. If we don't engage first, we usually get a few RPG missiles fired at us from a "civilian" is regular cloths, who was "just walking by", until he picked up
Got any pics of the children the IDF shot repeatedly in the head who were about to fire rockets?
no the Israelis did the Nakba which was a brutal ethnic cleansing campaign of rape and murder and theft. they planned this mass murder campaign for years.and if you read the early Zionists like Herzl, they knew all along that they would need to subjugate or expel the native population.what you are doing is a rhetorical technique call the "inversion of victimhood". its often u
Such intense hate. Sad. It is why I ignore your posts. But, after reading this I feel that I must say, from the bottom of my heart, that I hope one day you can overcome your blind rage. Must be a difficult way to live.
Such intense hate. Sad. It is why I ignore your posts. But, after reading this I feel that I must say, from the bottom of my heart, that I hope one day you can overcome your blind rage. Must be a difficult way to live.
my condemnation of the people who did stuff like this
pales in comparison to the rage required in the hearts of the people who committed such acts or those who decades later justify such acts.
no the Israelis did the Nakba which was a brutal ethnic cleansing campaign of rape and murder and theft. they planned this mass murder campaign for years.and if you read the early Zionists like Herzl, they knew all along that they would need to subjugate or expel the native population.what you are doing is a rhetorical technique call the "inversion of victimhood". its often u
Did the Arabs not attack Israel on the date of it's inception? Did the Arabs not tell it's people to evacuate until the Israelis were defeated? It seems to me the Nakba is a result of bad judgment and bad execution of the war by the Arabs. Had they won the people could have returned to their homes. It's a very sad part of history but I don't think the Israelis are the only ones to blame for these tragic events.
Did the Arabs not attack Israel on the date of it's inception?
no. even pro-Israel spooked up wikipedia says that Israel planned and initiated the cleansing.
Did the Arabs not tell it's people to evacuate until the Israelis were defeated?
lol cmon man
“The plan was a set of guidelines to take control of Mandatory Palestine, declare a Jewish state, and defend its borders and people”
This conflict always was and still is about Israeli “self defence”
My point was Deuces and Karl are likely the same person, and he just switched alts when Karl got banned. Of course if you replaced "Zionist" with "Islamist" his post would have been much more true, and I would have received a 30 day ban for it.
I've been in these forums for over a decade. I've never made a burner account. I would never say anything racist and my posting record is decidedly anti-racist. The conflation of criticism of Zionism or of Israel with antisemitism just doesn't work like magic the way it has in the past. I don't know what to tell you. Find a new lie. You have no arguments in the face of a genocide which has been posted on social media and which has been so properly designated by the highest international legal bodies. You'll have to go into your barrel of lies and get something else.
Genetic records indicate human history is mostly a long chain of one tribe/population defeating another, killing all the men, and then mating with the women. 100,000 years of that.
Or you can dip into your barrel of extremely dumb arguments. 'Genocide is ok because it's been done in the past" seems to directly contradict "never again", unless what is meant by "never again" is "never again to us by if not to us then it's cool", but I don't think that second one would have quite the appeal.
Human history is full of rapes as well. Does that mean you are pro rape?
I don't even know what to term this era we are in where people say things like which is quoted above. Maybe we should call it the "Do you hear yourself?" era.
I've been in these forums for over a decade. I've never made a burner account. I would never say anything racist and my posting record is decidedly anti-racist. The conflation of criticism of Zionism or of Israel with antisemitism just doesn't work like magic the way it has in the past. I don't know what to tell you. Find a new lie. You have no arguments in the face of a genoci
You tell yourself you would never say anything racist, all the mean time posting the most vial racist conspiracy theories ITT, surpassing even Victor in that manner.
Your self perception does not dictate the reality. maybe you don't see yourself as racist, but you are very much a racist.
You tell yourself you would never say anything racist, all the mean time posting the most vial racist conspiracy theories ITT, surpassing even Victor in that manner.
Your self perception does not dictate the reality. maybe you don't see yourself as racist, but you are very much a racist.
Again with these unattached labels. Are you trying to bait me into asking what conspiracy theory I supposedly posted here?
I was curious what kind of posting I would see here at this point. I mean, we all see what is happening. There is video. There are acknowledgements of the genocide by trusted bodies and media outlets. So what would some keyboard warrior have in defense of genocide on video, documented by national and international institutions?
Is the strategy just to keep calling anyone who says the mass killing of civilians pursuant to the ethnic cleansing of Gaza is bad a racist? That doesn't seem like a good strategy but, admittedly, I've never looked at the wholesale slaughter of women and children and thought "ok how can I spin this?" they way you pro Israelis have. Maybe that's the best distraction possible.
Yes, I'm the keyboard warrior 😀
I wasn't bating you, I already posted previously that you have no idea what Zionism is, and you constructed a demented picture in your head, what the Jewish state is all about, reaching protocol of the elders of zion levels
The "genocide" debate is a different issue, I don’t really care to debate. I call it war, you use "trigger" words to invoke emotions. Who really cares.
Genocide seems like an accurate word to describe Israel establishing kill zones where they murder everyone.
Unarmed children who fire RPG's, rockets and more. You are like Vic, keep repeating yourself over and over. we got it. it is a genocide and all the Palestinians who were killed were unarmed children and women. here, I wrote it again to save you tomorrow's post.
Genocide seems like an accurate word to describe Israel establishing kill zones where they murder everyone.
Also repeating the same claim again and again. And yet again ill explain that a kill zone is only established after the civilian population was evacuated. Did the allies forces stop to check in the battle of Normandy that they are shooting only civilians? Once you establish a battle ground (and make sure the civilian population is out of harms way), it is war. And war is war.
I get that as a participant in the genocide you REALLY don't want to call it a genocide. However, ordering a group of people to leave an area, and killing those that refuse or are unable to leave, is genocide.
I get that as a participant in the genocide you REALLY don't want to call it a genocide. However, ordering a group of people to leave an area, and killing those that refuse or are unable to leave amounts to genocide.
Making up claims that are untrue also does not constitute a genocide. Anyone who is unable to leave on their own is assisted. EVERYONE. people who refuse are 95%+ operatives, i.e. Hamas soldiers.
This Modus operandi is the most human and safe for civilians, as the other option is we enter populated areas. in that case, the death toll will be X100. This is the only way to create a battle ground when fighting guerrilla warfare. or ofc you can call Hamas to meet us at an open area of their choosing 😉
did hamas call for the kibbutzim members to evacuate before they attacked?
also, im not triggered by the word genocide and could care less how you criticize my actions. This is a childish way to conduct a debate to assume I care or to try and throw this word in my face to invoke an emotional reaction.
I do care about the facts and do mind you and others spreading lies.
you can interoperate the facts as you will and conclude it is a genocide, but dont make up facts to justify that claim.
Are you sure you are not that one that is making **** up?
This seems like something you made up.
Yes, im sure, as I was there myself. FFS this is a documented fact no one is disputing. Maybe before forming an opinion, learn all the facts?
Ill give you the proces:
First, we send evacuating notices and give the population the chance to evacuate on their own, while also setting up safe corridors and defending them against Hamas attacks that happened every time (as Hamas tries to prevent the evacuation to increase the number of casualties for public opinion of stupid westerners like you).
Then we let aid workers go in the area and help facilitate the evacuation of people with need.
Then we have special units who also come in to aid in special cases.
Only then do we start to operate.
I think I found a problem with your >95% in kill zones are Hamas claim. Some other people that were there are claiming you guys were murdering civilians and counting them as terrorists.
Well, I probably shouldn't waste anymore time arguing with you. Good luck, please don't shoot any civilians.
I would have liked to keep debating with you on this issue (and more) but suit yourself.
Im starting to learn how woke self-hating westerners feel about debates and the truth.
Also, lol for citing Haaretz news article as a factual source.
Haaretz is heavily regulated by the military censor in Israel. the truth is almost certainly much worse than the IDF censor allows.
Haaretz is heavily regulated by the military censor in Israel. the truth is almost certainly much worse than the IDF censor allows.
Vic, you know nothing about Israel. stop making yourself look like you are "in the know".
The Israeli army censor is only allowed to forbid the publication that contain military secrets that publishing them will endanger life or hurt national security, or publications that will endanger public safety.
The Israeli censor is not a fact checker and cannot prevent the publications of lies.
The emergency protection regulations severely limit censorship powers. Beyond that, the Supreme Court ruled in a series of rulings that only near certainty that the publication constitutes a breach of security, allows disqualification of publication
