Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Except he never used the word Palestine, because he never visited Palestine. I assume he visited Israel and maybe the West Bank, that was part of Jordan.
Obviously there was no concept of Palestine at that time by the Arabs.
It’s honestly amazingly hard to believe how uninformed and ignorant you are.
He visited Israel in 1939 did he?
No wonder they killed him, he must have been a time traveller.
There was “no concept” of Palestine in 1939 was there?
Maybe their concept was to have a country called Mandatory and the Palestine in the country’s name which by the way was Mandatory PALESTINE was just a suffix like the “New” in New Zealand or the “South” in South Africa.
Of course the cherry on top is that you literally prove in one post that every accusation is a confession.
You are literally re-writing History to suit your own narrative, and turning around and accusing 57 of doing so only because JFK didn’t specifically use the word Palestine all the while discarding the fact that he notes the Jews want complete domination, 9 years before Israel is even established.
Thank you for that.
Oh and by the way had you actually read the letter, you would know that he specifically used the word Palestine or Palestinian multiple times.
“Dear Dad,
I thought I would write to you my impressions on Palestine”
It’s literally in the first ****ing sentence lol
Funny though, I didn’t notice the word Israel… just Jews/Jewish and Zion/Zionist.
He must have not wanted to give away his time traveller secret.
Free Mandatory!!
Palestinian Authority freezes Al Jazeera operations in the West Bank
Looks like they want to rule Gaza and show the world they too are done with Hamas and al-jazeri being the fake news mouthpiece of Hamas
There is no way Al Jazeeri can operate in the West Bank now
It’s honestly hard to believe how uninformed and ignorant you are. He visited Israel in 1939 did he? No wonder they killed him, he must have been a time traveller. There was “no concept” of Palestine in 1939 was there? Maybe their concept was to have a country called Mandatory and the Palestine in the country’s name which by the way was Mandatory PAL
The word "Palestine" in 1939 referred to the area we now call Israel, Syria, Gaza, west bank, and Jordan. Maybe some other nations. Palestine was a region. In 1939 it was the British mandate
I agree calling it Israel in 1939 is silly. But it was never the country of Palestine is the point I think he's trying to make
You are right, Mandatory Palestine was not by definition a sovereign country, even though it had clear and established borders with the nations that surrounded it.
It is important to note also that Palestine was one of the Class A Mandates..
“The first group, or Class A mandates, were territories formerly controlled by the Ottoman Empire that were deemed to "... have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory."
Saying that there was OBVIOUSLY no concept of Palestine under the British Mandate is “beyond fairy tale, it’s inconceivable.”
Unless of course you never actually bother to read anything and you just excrement the Israeli propaganda you’ve been fed.
But wait…
"... have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised“
I thought Israel was a barren wasteland before the Jews “settled” there.. “a country without people for people without a country” ?
Saying that there was OBVIOUSLY no concept of Palestine under the British Mandate is “beyond fairy tale, it’s inconceivable.”
Palestine was a British colonial construct (named after a Roman colonial construct in roughly the same area) the local Arabs rejected. Which is one of the reasons they tried to ally with Nazi Germany to help rid the ME of all British and Jews.
The concept there should be such a thing as Palestine that exists alongside a nation called Israel is a bitter pill for the Arabs, that almost 100 years later many refuse to swallow.
Of course the majority of "Zionists" in 1939 (and now) would have been completely fine with JFK's 2 state vision, and the Arab leaders at the time categorically rejected it. And many still do.
Which is a big reason the Jews fared better in the fallout. They gave the world something productive to work with. 100 years later, and the Arabs never have.
Palestinian Authority freezes Al Jazeera operations in the West Bank
Looks like they want to rule Gaza and show the world they too are done with Hamas and al-jazeri being the fake news mouthpiece of Hamas
There is no way Al Jazeeri can operate in the West Bank now
Good riddance.
Palestinian Authority freezes Al Jazeera operations in the West Bank
Looks like they want to rule Gaza and show the world they too are done with Hamas and al-jazeri being the fake news mouthpiece of Hamas
There is no way Al Jazeeri can operate in the West Bank now
There are layers to this. Qatar ultimately controls Al Jazeera and provides a lot of the funding and support of Hamas and other terrorist groups in Israel and Judea. And Qatar has a lot of influence in the UN and US foreign policy in the region through deals also.
The PA is not going to be able to kick out Al Jazeera unless Qatar gives the ok. They have too much influence.
At the end of the day Qatar and Turkey really want to build a natural gas pipeline from Qatar to Turkey through Syria to provide gas to Europe, And Assad being overthrown and HTS taking control is a big domino that needed to fall to make this happen.
It is quite possible this is an initial step in Qatar giving up its interests in supporting Palestinian terrorism for a bigger prize. It is hard to imagine the PA would have the influence to kick out Al Jazeera without their ok.
As I have said countless times before, understanding what Qatar is doing and why is a giant piece of solving the Middle East current events puzzle. And the fact that our Establishment and even so called anti-war advocates like Tucker, Sanders and AOC wont even say the word Qatar illustrate just how much control they have. (along with establishment interests working alongside Qatar).
There are layers to this. Qatar ultimately controls Al Jazeera and provides a lot of the funding and support of Hamas and other terrorist groups in Israel and Judea. And Qatar has a lot of influence in the UN and US foreign policy in the region through deals also. The PA is not going to be able to kick out Al Jazeera unless Qatar gives the ok. They have too much influence.
If Qatar 4D chess playing was about selling gas to us I would be on the pro Qatar team.
It's hard for me to believe that Qatar has been helping Russian allies and puppets in order to strike such a blow to Russia itself though. I understand Turkey wanting it's piece in the region and needing a weaker Russia to achieve that.
I don't understand the purported Qatari interest in helping russian-iranians allies (like Hamas) if the goal is to dismantle Russia influence in the area (which basically happened)
I don't understand the purported Qatari interest in helping russian-iranians allies (like Hamas) if the goal is to dismantle Russia influence in the area (which basically happened)
Hamas is an offshoot of the Qatar funded Muslim Brotherhood, that Qatar has been directly supporting for decades. Qatar is the main supporter of Hamas, and Iran is a relatively minor supporter.
The fact that we focus so much on Iran, and so little on Qatar, is my point how the Establishment/Qatar is shaping the narrative. Keep in mind the entire Muslim world is extremely anti Israel (and anti-semitic on top), so if Iran is openly opposing (and even fighting) Israel, than Qatar has to be careful in moving against Iran; as the people in the ME are going to reflexively support whoever they perceive as fighting Israel and negatively perceive anyone helping them.
At the national level, no ME govt really cares at all about the Palestinians. They are all just cynically aiding the resistance to various amounts to build their own profile. And nothing good for the Palestinians ever happens from their involvement.
I wouldn't describe folks who are against Israel as "antisemitic". I would describe them as uninformed.
Very kind of you to acknowledge the head of this Humanitarian organization is not antisemitic.
We just need to inform her why putting people in cages and restricting their movement is NOT a violation of International Humanitarian Law.
Hamas is an offshoot of the Qatar funded Muslim Brotherhood, that Qatar has been directly supporting for decades. Qatar is the main supporter of Hamas, and Iran is a relatively minor supporter. The fact that we focus so much on Iran, and so little on Qatar, is my point how the Establishment/Qatar is shaping the narrative. Keep in mind the entire Muslim world is extremely ant
Yes i don't deny Qatar funds Hamas, what doesn't square with me is your idea that Qatar does that to go against russian interests. The axis of evil runs from Russia and Qatar through Iran against Israel and western interests more generally.
Very kind of you to acknowledge the head of this Humanitarian organization is not antisemitic.
We just need to inform her why putting people in cages and restricting their movement is NOT a violation of International Humanitarian Law.
What people are you referring to regarding cages and restriction of movement?
LIVE: New massacre in Gaza as Israel kills more than 60 Palestinians
Israel’s army bombs the so-called “humanitarian zone” of al-Mawasi in southern Gaza, killing at least 12 Palestinians, as other attacks continue throughout the Gaza Strip with at least 63 dead so far, medical sources have told Al Jazeera.
A seventh infant dies of the cold in Gaza, taking the overall toll from hypothermia to eight, as displaced people reel from days of heavy rain that have flooded makeshift shelters.
The latest death toll stands at 46,416 Palestinians and 1,139 people killed in Israel since October 7, 2023.
Oh no I wasn’t taking about anything in particular; certainly nothing to do with Israel’s conduct as it pertains to the lives of Palestinians in the West Bank or Gaza.
No I just meant that people shouldn’t keep their pet birds in cages, as it restricts their freedom of movement.
its just massacre after massacre. dead children and civilians everywhere.
meanwhile, this is what they say.
there is going to be severe blowback for all of this if not in this lifetime then the next.
once again Israelis and the West tell you not to believe your lying eyes. we all saw with our own eyes the footage of the doctor walking into an Israeli tank. hell, the IDF released the footage as part of their propaganda. now the IDF says they have no knowledge of his whereabouts.
this doctor is a hero ofc, but I dont lionize him above all of the other fathers, sons, daughters, and kids who have been disappeared by this genocidal arm of the West. they are all deserving of notoriety and human rights. but the West does not believe in human rights and this is yet another attempt to destroy hope and enforce compliance through brutality. these are Western values.
Looks like the crack is still flowing freely itt. Someone pass me the pipe
Yes i don't deny Qatar funds Hamas, what doesn't square with me is your idea that Qatar does that to go against russian interests. The axis of evil runs from Russia and Qatar through Iran against Israel and western interests more generally.
Qatar is not part of the Axis of Resistance. Neither is Russia FWIW, although they align closer with the Axis than Qatar does.
The Axis of Resistance objective is to push the Western world out of the ME, and make the entire region an Shia Iranian sphere of influence. Qatar hosts US forces in the ME (and just extended their lease for the main US base) and has extensive ties with the West.
Qatar has diplomatic relations with Iran, but have their own agenda that often opposes Iranian interests. They also represent opposing theocratic philosophies, which actually matters a lot in this part of the world.
Qatar and Turkey have long been trying to build a natural gas pipeline through Syria. And Iran, Russia and Syria under Assad have resisted this. I dont know if the ultimate objective of overthrowing Assad is to make the pipeline happen; and if giving up Hamas is part of the deal. But I wouldn't be surprised.
It feels like the propaganda machine has lost a lot of steam. It’s a big issue when your target audience has the attention span of a fly.
It feels like the propaganda machine has lost a lot of steam. It’s a big issue when your target audience has the attention span of a fly.
its essentially illegal to protest against Israeli genocide in the USA. college students dont want to get beaten, incarcerated, raped, and killed by the government so they gave up on the student protests.
and harsh criticism against Israel and the USA is obv forbidden in this thread as well.
