Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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when he wrote 2 districts was that about Jerusalem, or district in the sense of piece of land under autonomous control?
He meant the partition of Palestine. As he said, Jerusalem ought to be considered separately because of its equal importance to Jews and Arabs. Of course this kind of happened in 1948 under the UN Partition Plan but was undone by Israel's seizure of East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza (along with the Golan Heights and Sinai) in 1967.
Israel was the first country to stop stamping passports way back in 2013. They did this because many Arab nations wouldn't let you in of you even visited IsraelSo no Israeli vehicles couldn't travel thereIsrael is finally allowed over Saudi airspace for the past year or so but could never before. But they can only fly to the few Arab nations that they have normalization with
Italian friends went to Israel and kindly asked for no stamp because they risked problems in the last leg of their trip in Egypt, 7-8 years ago.
He meant the partition of Palestine. As he said, Jerusalem ought to be considered separately because of its equal importance to Jews and Arabs. Of course this kind of happened in 1948 under the UN Partition Plan but was undone by Israel's seizure of East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza (along with the Golan Heights and Sinai) in 1967.
There was no palestine (which never existed historically or conceptually for all of history until the 50s), so maybe he referred to the far larger land area including what we now call jordan?
nobody is mistreating an Israeli by not letting them enter a country. the entitlement is astounding. countries have every right to turn away potential terrorists like ISIS and Israel.
Yes. Palestine. Palestine and Trans-Jordan were a League of Nations Mandate under pro tem British control from 1920 to 1948 (because Britain was the power in possession after Allenby's successful campaign against the Ottoman Empire -- in 1919-20 US reporter Lowell Thomas had great success in the US and London with his slide-and-film show, 'With Allenby in Palestine and Lawrence in Arabia').
Although the Zionists always wanted Trans-Jordan as well, the British assigned it to the Arabs. The Arabs still have the state of Jordan, though of course the Israelis took the West Bank in 1967 and Jordan later resigned sovereignty over it because the Palestinians made too much of a nuisance of themselves.
Yes. Palestine. Palestine and Trans-Jordan were a League of Nations Mandate under pro tem British control from 1920 to 1948 (because Britain was the power in possession after Allenby's successful campaign against the Ottoman Empire -- in 1919-20 US reporter Lowell Thomas had great success in the US and London with his slide-and-film show, 'With Allenby in Palestine and Lawrence
So they did what JFK wanted, "palestine" (according to that map) to the jews and transjordan to the arabs (which was bigger), and how did it go to do that? arabs wages a genocidal war attempt to try to eradicate the jews.
So thinking that giving arabs a lot of land was enough to satisfy them was completly wrong
There was no palestine (which never existed historically or conceptually for all of history until the 50s), so maybe he referred to the far larger land area including what we now call jordan?
Palestine was recognised by the League of Nations in 1920. Trans-Jordan, which also formed part of the British Mandate, consisted of what is now the Occupied West Bank and what is now Jordan.
Palestine was recognised by the League of Nations in 1920. Trans-Jordan, which also formed part of the British Mandate, consisted of what is now the Occupied West Bank and what is now Jordan.
Not in the sense the palestinians mean it. "palestine" was mainly what is now called Israel. There was no recognition of "palestine" as a specific arab nation
So they did what JFK wanted, "palestine" (according to that map) to the jews and transjordan to the arabs (which was bigger), and how did it go to do that? arabs wages a genocidal war attempt to try to eradicate the jews.
So thinking that giving arabs a lot of land was enough to satisfy them was completly wrong
The Arabs haven't actually taken any more land since the 1948 UN Partition Plan. The Zionists, on the other hand, have, and have succeeded where the Arabs failed. But it depends what you mean by 'succeeded', because the occupation of the West Bank, which Israel can never legitimise for fear of giving the Arabs the vote, is a continual headache for Israel.
It's hard for Israel too, and they are not genocidal and don't practice apartheid
But I'm glad you think their citizens of Israel shouldn't be allowed in Muslim countries
The Arabs haven't actually taken any more land since the 1948 UN Partition Plan. The Zionists, on the other hand, have, and have succeeded where the Arabs failed. But it depends what you mean by 'succeeded', because the occupation of the West Bank, which Israel can never legitimise for fear of giving the Arabs the vote, is a continual headache for Israel.
Jordan didn't annex the west bank in 1950? That wasn't taking land? Or because they were arab it was okay?
It's hard for Israel too, and they are not genocidal and don't practice apartheid
But I'm glad you think their citizens of Israel shouldn't be allowed in Muslim countries
poor countries like Lebanon do not have the resources to vet Israelis to make sure they are not terrorists. remember, Israel committed one of the most atrocious terrorist attacks in history on Lebanon. for their own safety it makes the most sense to blanket ban all of them.
the USA should not let anyone who has served in the IDF in unless they can conclusively prove they have not participated in war crimes. I feel a lot safer with a South American drug dealer near me than a genocidal IDF soldier who is suffering from PTSD after bulldozing 100s of Gazans alive.
So US should never allow any Saudis in because of Sept 11?
Never let any Palestinians in because of October 7th?
You are always consistent so I'm sure you agree with both of those statements?
USA has the resources to vet these people. regardless, Israelis are far more terroristic than Saudis.
So all israelis should be denied passage to the US
Israel should give up their land to the Palestinians
And the Jews can go where?
This sounds like the 1940s before the Jews had a homeland
these are my exact words
the USA should not let anyone who has served in the IDF in unless they can conclusively prove they have not participated in war crimes.
they in no way reflect your accusation.
and yes I am consistent bc I would gladly deport Americans who have worked in death squads throughout the world in the USA Army or Marines or CIA or whatever.
I found updated information As of 2023, 28 countries do not recognize Israel's sovereignty. 25 of these are Muslim-majority countries, of which 17 explicitly do not process Israeli passport holders, and a further six of those 17 do not admit entry to non-Israelis with any sort of ties to Israel. These 17 countries are:AfghanistanAlgeriaBangladeshBruneiIranIraqKuwaitLebanonLibya
Who would want to go to any of these countries?
ram his car into a crowd of people
bro wut
https://x.com/ytirawi/status/18668015114...
they even run over young white American women
Every Jew in Israel serves in the idf except the super religious. So you will only let the orthodox in.
Sounds legit
