Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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It is a little strange that all of Hamas’ missiles and weapons caches are surrounded by women and children who also happen to be doctors, paramedics, aid workers and journalist all at the same time.
I know right. I’ve been thinking the exact same thing, you would literally have to be mentally challenged to actually believe Israel on that.
Man A sounds pretty good tbh
Just to be clear, Israel will return the 10k Palestinian hostages too though right?
Oh, and they’ll cease to practice occupation apartheid and genocide?
Those words will still be used, ofc, but only in a historical context as is the case with South Africa..
Israel has prisoners not hostages
They once let one go because of pressure from the West
How name was Sinwar
He masterminded the day that the most Jews have ever been murdered in one day since 1945
They do not occupy Gaza. Have not since 2005. Hamas had no power in the West bank
They do not practice apartheid or genocide
I'm aware that those words will continue to be used. I know how false propaganda works
remember that every single time they have disarmed Israel has proceeded to unleash massacres on civilians.
False
I know right. I’ve been thinking the exact same thing, you would literally have to be mentally challenged to actually believe Israel on that.
Can you point me to the hamas missle bases not in hospitals or schools? Even one?
While we’re on the topic of strange, isn’t it strangely convenient that Israel has provided exactly 0 tangible proof of their claims, has restricted foreign journalists from entering Gaza and potentially proving or discrediting those claims oh and not to mention levelled every single institution you mentioned to the ground.
in other news, the mighty and wonderful USA have just okay-d $8bn of arms sales to israel
BAD news for those who were salivating itt a few months back over the prospect of israel being cut off from USA arms suppliers, and even worse news for what is left of the terrorist rapists of hamas!
While we’re on the topic of strange, isn’t it strangely convenient that Israel has provided exactly 0 tangible proof of their claims, has restricted foreign journalists from entering Gaza and potentially proving or discrediting those claims oh and not to mention levelled every single institution you mentioned to the ground.
Until you or anybody can tell me where the weapons were shot from, I going to assume Israel destroyed them when they shot those buildings down
They do not occupy Gaza. Have not since 2005. Hamas had no power in the West bank
They do not practice apartheid or genocide
IÂ’m so sorry I must have have misunderstood the situation completely wrong.
This whole time I thought that putting up a fence with military towers around an entire border and enacting a blockade against the entire population inside that border was a form of occupation. I donÂ’t know how or why I let myself think that calculating the minimum daily intake of calories and then using the blockade to allow just that much aid into the area was anything but fair and just.
Thanks to your wonderful sharing of facts I am seeing the light now.
It really was ridiculous of me to question why 180 communities in the West Bank have no access to clean drinking water, and even preposterous one might say of me to even have the nerve to question why Israel will not allow water from the West Bank to be transferred into Gaza, where 90-95% of it was unsafe for human use prior to October 2023.
No, these are not signs of apartheid. This is clear westernized self defence.
Obviously everybody knows that the water from West Bank is really Hamas terrorists that disguise themselves are water.
Until you or anybody can tell me where the weapons were shot from, I going to assume Israel destroyed them when they shot those buildings down
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Excellent way to live I think.
Never question the government! Politicians would never lie to us! They are protecting us!
So what that every single humanitarian organization in the world is criticizing their actions; obviously they’re all Hamas/anti-Semitic/biased/am I forgetting any other lame excuse?
Although the Hamas/UNRWA/Al Jazeera network of hate are bad faith actor propagandists; people are really suffering and dying in both sides. And we shouldn’t lose site of that.
The free world needs to overcome these enemies of humanity, but we shouldn’t become like them either.
Blinken says something borderline banworthy
IÂ’m so sorry I must have have misunderstood the situation completely wrong. This whole time I thought that putting up a fence with military towers around an entire border and enacting a blockade against the entire population inside that border was a form of occupation. I donÂ’t know how or why I let myself think that calculating the minimum daily intake of calories and then us
First of all
The West bank has nothing to do with hamas or gaza so I'm not you my to debate Judea and Samaria today
Secondly, when Israel withdrew from gaza 19 years ago, they did not plan to blockade gaza
Then they held an election democratically (the last democratic election in either gaza or the West bank), and they voted for the party that had in their charter that the number 1 goal was to destroy Israel and kill anyone who tries to stop them.
Since Egypt was no longer a terrorist nation, they were scared. As was Israel.
Here's a snippet from wiki
In June 2007, Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip in the Battle of Gaza,[64] and removed Fatah officials. Following the Hamas takeover, the sanctions put in place after Hamas's 2006 electoral victory were dramatically tightened. Truck transits, which had been 12,000 per month in 2005, were reduced to 2,000 by November of that year, when in a further measure, in the context of Hamas rocket fire and Israeli attacks, food supplies were halved, fuel imports slashed and foreign currency restricted by the latter.[69]
Following the Hamas takeover in Gaza, Egypt and Israel largely sealed their border crossings with Gaza, on the grounds that Fatah had fled and the PA was no longer providing security on the Palestinian side.[15]
In July 2007, Israeli officials stated they had been planning to open the Rafah border crossing to allow stranded Palestinians to return, but claimed that this plan had been cancelled after Hamas threatened to fire on the refugees.[70]
A Jerusalem Post article mentioned Hamas' complaints that since June 2008 the PA no longer granted passports to Gazans, thereby "preventing tens of thousands of Palestinians from being able to travel abroad".[71]
Egypt, fearing a spill-over of Hamas-style militancy into its territory, kept its border with Gaza largely sealed.[72] Israel sealed the border completely on 17 January in response to rocket attacks on southern Israel and Palestinian militant attacks on crossing points between Israel and Gaza.[73][74]
The Egyptian government feared also that Iran wanted to establish a base in its territory as well as in Gaza through its proxy Hezbollah following the 2009 Hezbollah plot in Egypt.[75][76]
January 2008 breach of the Gaza-Egypt border
Main article: 2008 breach of the Gaza-Egypt border
On 22 January 2008, Gazans clashed with Egyptian police in front of the border, demanding that the Rafah Border Crossing be opened. The clashes included live fire, and there were injuries on both sides. Fifty women managed to cross, and Egyptian police responded with a water cannon assault. Additional Egyptian security forces arrived, and managed to restore calm and prevent further crossing.[77]
The breach of the Gaza–Egypt border began on 23 January 2008, after gunmen in the Gaza Strip set off an explosion near the Rafah Border Crossing, destroying part of the former Israeli Gaza Strip barrier
Egypt and Israel have continued to control the borders for their own safety
Yes both EGYPT AND ISRAEL
For some reason, you only mention Israel
But both countries actually care about their civilians and do what they have to do to protect them
Some governments try to protect their civilians
Others use them as shields and shoot rockets at Israel from schools and hospitals
If you need any more lessons in reality, feel free to ask
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So he visited October 12
5 days after October 7
5 days after their brothers and sisters and mothers and fathers and children and friends were
Raped
Murdered
And
Kidnapped
And you are surprised this was the reaction 5 days late?
Civilians were crossing the border from gaza to Israel to work and then they gave Hamas sketches of the kibutz where close to 100 innocent people were murdered
And you are surprised this was rudely their reaction five days later
If my wife was raped or murdered in that instance, I can't imagine what thoughts would be going through my mind 5 days later
It's not surprising that Gazans believe the IDF is a criminal army
Between propoganda that has been fed to them, and their poor living conditions, and from how Israel has destroyed Gaza, that would be their most logical conclusion
But when captured, many realize that the idf actually feeds then, clothes them, doesn't steal their food
And some realize what Hamas has been doing to them for 19 years
So he visited October 125 days after October 75 days after their brothers and sisters and mothers and fathers and children and friends wereRapedMurderedAndKidnapped And you are surprised this was the reaction 5 days late?Civilians were crossing the border from gaza to Israel to work and then they gave Hamas sketches of the kibutz where close to 100 innocent people were murdere
I am not surprised now, no. I have read enough Israeli press and social media to have a much better idea of how much of the public wants to hurt innocents.
I was indeed naive and ignorant before bc, as I stupidly asserted at the time (the posts are there btw) I did not think that the vast majority would want to punish innocent and uninvolved people including many children to satisfy their need for revenge. It's a totally foreign idea to my commie thoughts.
Did you condemn Russias plan to starve Ukrainians¿
You seem to be on their side with everything they do unless I'm mistaken
Was that fake western propoganda?
https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine...
--The link above is a thread documenting massive Arab migration to Palestine in the first half of the 20th century. Unlike the fake propaganda that posters like Bill Haywood and Victor promote, the vast majority of Palestinian "refugees" in Gaza and West Bank are not any more native to the land we call Israel than the average white American is to North America. Which is to say not at all.
Under the Ottomans, the land we call Israel and Palestine was all uninhabitable desert where almost no one lived. Then during the British Mandate, due to the efforts of British and Jewish Zionists, the land started to be tamed and be made livable.
Only after this happened did massive waves of Arab Muslim colonists come flooding in in the first half of the 20th century. The truth is that for the vast majority of Palesinians, they have been living in refugee camps for more generations than their progenitors lived in Israel proper.
They are mostly just a recent wave of colonizers from places like Iraq, Syria, and Egypt. Which is why most Palestinians have surnames native to those places, and not the Levant.
Did you condemn Russias plan to starve Ukrainians¿
You seem to be on their side with everything they do unless I'm mistaken
Was that fake western propoganda?
Im not aware of any starvation in Ukraine and certainly not anything even a fraction of a percent as bad as Gaza. but if you provide some citations I may be convinced.
it is important to note that in the nearly 3 years of war the UN count is in the 14k range for civilian deaths in Ukraine. thats ofc less than the number of children alone murdered by Israel that could be counted in about half the time.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼Excellent way to live I think. Never question the government! Politicians would never lie to us! They are protecting us! So what that every single humanitarian organization in the world is criticizing their actions; obviously they’re all Hamas/anti-Semitic/biased/am I forgetting any other
Doesn’t trust Western governments but completely trusts radical terrorist groups without a second thought. Calling other people mentally challenged. Really can’t make this stuff up.
Im not aware of any starvation in Ukraine and certainly not anything even a fraction of a percent as bad as Gaza. but if you provide some citations I may be convinced.it is important to note that in the nearly 3 years of war the UN count is in the 14k range for civilian deaths in Ukraine. thats ofc less than the number of children alone murdered by Israel that could be counte
Ofc this is because Ukraine has a uniformed army and doesn’t deliberately use women and children as human shields. Ukraine is trying to protect it’s civilians while Hamas tries to get theirs killed. Let’s not get it twisted and crap out a bunch of misinformation all over the thread.
its weird that Ukraine engages in slave soldiering where they shove untrained cannon fodder to the front lines as meat shield whereas Hamas does no such thing and you want to make it seem like they are in any way comparable in terms of morality.
its weird that Ukraine engages in slave soldiering where they shove untrained cannon fodder to the front lines as meat shield whereas Hamas does no such thing and you want to make it seem like they are in any way comparable in terms of morality.
Hamas is much worse. Lay off the crack.
Also don’t you think you’ve spread enough misinformation in here regarding IP? At least have the decency to keep your Ukraine/Russia misinformation in the designated thread.
its weird that Ukraine engages in slave soldiering where they shove untrained cannon fodder to the front lines as meat shield whereas Hamas does no such thing and you want to make it seem like they are in any way comparable in terms of morality.
Yes they do. Your biased choices of propaganda to watch just dont show it. I have seen numerous videos of armed Hamas Jihadis grabbing random Palestinian children to use as shields to walk across the street.
There are also infinite videos Hamas shooting rockets out of refugee tents in the middle of refugee camps. They post them themselves. They are literally using women and children as shields to fire their rockets, and they show propaganda videos to brag about it.
Quit posting about each other or I'll send everyone to timeouts. Address content with the extra personal commentaries.
--The following genetics graph illustrates my point that Palestinians en masse are not particularly genetically "native" to this region, especially compared to Druze or Levant Christian populations.
They are of course genetically closer than Ashkenazi Jews (who dont even make this list), but still very distant genetically and recent colonizers themselves, just from closer places.
Which is fine. This part of the world has had tremendous amounts of population flow over centuries, although the populations have generally been very small for the last 2000 years or so (compared to Roman times and before) due to climate change making the land uninhabitable before the British and Jews brought capital and modern technology to make the land livable again.
The Palestinians mostly represent a recent wave of immigration, and the Jews a more recent one. But they are all there now, and have been for generations. And no one is being pushed off the land and sent back to Poland, so the Palestinians need to update their software for this reality.
