Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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the goal is to eradicate the Palestinians. thats why you see headlines like this
they want to continue exterminating the population.
Thank you for the ad hominem. See my reply to Dunyain for my views on why we are on the slippery slope to ethnic cleansing.Regarding the tunnels, my point is that engineering ops are not nearly enough to get the job done. Bigger sacrifices are necessary to 'eradicate Hamas,' i.e. sending units into the belly of the beast, getting to a similar level of knowledge of the system as
When a defensive position is very hard to assail and you risk losing a lot of men, starving the people inside is the historically sound strategy.
Why lose Israeli lives today instead of waiting a year with 0 food delivery and enter to pick up the starved to death bodies of terrorists?
That's why the civilian population has to stay in camps in tunnel free areas, absolutely 0 deliveries have to happened everywhere tunnels exist, and then we wait.
When a defensive position is very hard to assail and you risk losing a lot of men, starving the people inside is the historically sound strategy.Why lose Israeli lives today instead of waiting a year with 0 food delivery and enter to pick up the starved to death bodies of terrorists?That's why the civilian population has to stay in camps in tunnel free areas, absolutely 0 deliv
The tunnels can go from where aid gets delivered to the fighters, and given the infinite collaborators, there is no way to stop this short of cutting off all aid to Gaza. The north has been under siege for months and there are still tens of thousands of women and children living there, let alone fighters.
How is this possible?
The tunnels can go from where aid gets delivered to the fighters, and given the infinite collaborators, there is no way to stop this short of cutting off all aid to Gaza. The north has been under siege for months and there are still tens of thousands of women and children living there, let alone fighters.
How is this possible?
you put people in camps with militaries controlling them and deliver the aid only there.
women and children should move out of there
the goal is to eradicate the Palestinians. thats why you see headlines like this
they want to continue exterminating the population.Hamas's numbers might be rising but these people are nothing more than untrained cannon fodder.
The best way to take away Israel's excuse to kill Palestinians would be to give back the hostages. Also, stop talking about killing all the Jews. Also, tone down the Jihad.
you are close to getting it. Hamas (ie the Resistance) is not really rising. the media are just manufacturing consent to continuing to murder women children and civilian men. the goal of this whole thing is to kill as many civilians as possible and they are achieving that magnificently. however, that is not enough for the pro-Israel folks who think that Trump will somehow allow the slaughter to intensify. maybe the Republican bombs will be more potent I dunno. thats the thing with Imperial Capitalists. they can never be sated.
The houthis ethnically cleansed the Jews out of Yemen and continue to��From 55,000 Jews to nearly none—and the hatred persists.In 1948, Yemen was home to 55,000 Jews. Today, fewer than 10 remain after the Houthis ethnically cleansed the Jewish population. Yet their obsession with Jews and the only Jewish state continues.Over the last two weeks, they’ve fired rocke
Hey one fake outrage at a time for these people. They moved on from Ukraine to "Palestine". They probably haven't come across the this Yemen stuff on YouTube yet. It's bizarre that a half million people have been killed in Yemen but crickets. It does make you wonder how they select who they target.
you are close to getting it. Hamas (ie the Resistance) is not really rising. the media are just manufacturing consent to continuing to murder women children and civilian men. the goal of this whole thing is to kill as many civilians as possible and they are achieving that magnificently. however, that is not enough for the pro-Israel folks who think that Trump will somehow a
I don't think the media is making this stuff up. I think you have a bunch of homicidal maniacs who don't care about this life. They only care about destroying Israel. If only they cared this much about building up their nation. This is a death cult. The "Palestinian" people need a paradigm shift. Clearly things are not trending their way and are about to get worse.
Yemen was a great crime committed by the USA and UK with the help of Saudi pilots and UAE funded mercenaries.
many of us pointed out the immense hypocrisy from the West to sponsor that war, provide weapons, help with the starvation blockade, and contribute to the mass murder in comparison to the Ukraine War. this was called "whataboutism" and the conversation was shut down. that is one big reason why you dont hear about it.
but I will say unequivocally that Yemen are the most righteous people in the land given they withstood a genocidal Western onslaught themselves and now are doing everything in their power to protect Palestinians from a similar fate.
Of course they have the power to glass Gaza, and you are very correct that the optics from the international community play a big role. The point is that the road to ethnic cleansing is a slippery slope, and requires justifications for each little advance in what is necessary. There is no small advance in the univability of Gaza that pro-Israel posters in this thread won't just
Israel is a democracy. The power of those people is limited, and all indications are when the war is over and things normalize they will be voted out of office.
If Hamas just gave back the hostages and laid down its arms the occupation would be over. And the PA and other Arab powers would come in.
Even if Israel wanted to keep the occupation going and "ethnic cleanse" Gaza (I dont think the vast majority of Israeli's do want this or it will ever happen); the international community would not permit it, especially the US which is what matters.
If there is an argument that anyone's goal is ethnic cleansing of Palestinians you could argue it is Hamas's goal. As they are the ones with all the power to stop the war and refuse for their own selfish ends that are doing nothing for the Palestinians.
but I will say unequivocally that Yemen are the most righteous people in the land given they withstood a genocidal Western onslaught themselves and now are doing everything in their power to protect Palestinians from a similar fate.
The US alone sends ~$1 billion in aid to Yemen. Yemen is one of the poorest countries in the world that rely the most on western aid. If the US under Trump decided to stop sending aid in response to Houthi belligerence it would be an unmitigated disaster for the people of Yemen.
The Houthis are psychotic, homicidal, drugged out madmen that insist on literally biting the hand that feeds them. They are pathetic beggars who rely completely on the compassion of the very people they are actively trying to kill.
The fact the Houthis act so horrible, and we are still willing to feed them while they are literally trying to kill us for it just emphasizes just how much better we are then them.
They are the literal worst that humanity has to offer. And we are the opposite.
Thank you for the ad hominem. See my reply to Dunyain for my views on why we are on the slippery slope to ethnic cleansing.Regarding the tunnels, my point is that engineering ops are not nearly enough to get the job done. Bigger sacrifices are necessary to 'eradicate Hamas,' i.e. sending units into the belly of the beast, getting to a similar level of knowledge of the system as
The remaining tunnels have hostages in them. Israel is currently engaging in diplomacy to get the hostages back without endangering their lives by invading the remaining tunnels.
Your entire analysis of the situation completely ignores the fact that Hamas took 200+ hostages, have been holding them for 1+ year, a lot of them are dead, and the remaining are being kept in tunnels under Gaza. The very tunnels you are arguing Israel should invade, which would probably just end up with all the hostages dead.
The hostages are an important component of what is going on, that you prefer to ignore as it doesn't fit your preferred narrative. But your inability to acknowledge the hostage situation is one of many reasons why your analysis is so poor.
Yemen was a great crime committed by the USA and UK with the help of Saudi pilots and UAE funded mercenaries. many of us pointed out the immense hypocrisy from the West to sponsor that war, provide weapons, help with the starvation blockade, and contribute to the mass murder in comparison to the Ukraine War. this was called "whataboutism" and the conversation was shut down.
And when Israel retaliate and bombs Yemen you can cry genocide for 6 months
We all know that Israel only wages genocidal war aimed at maximum civilian death. So yes, I will call a spade a spade.
Your entire analysis of the situation completely ignores the fact that Hamas took 200+ hostages, have been holding them for 1+ year, a lot of them are dead, and the remaining are being kept in tunnels under Gaza. The very tunnels you are arguing Israel should invade, which would probably just end up with all the hostager.
They think it's all justified so no idea why you are trying to explain this to them
We all know that Israel only wages genocidal war aimed at maximum civilian death. So yes, I will call a spade a spade.
If by that you mean that when Israel is attacked, they reply tenfold, then she
The tunnels can go from where aid gets delivered to the fighters, and given the infinite collaborators, there is no way to stop this short of cutting off all aid to Gaza. The north has been under siege for months and there are still tens of thousands of women and children living there, let alone fighters.
How is this possible?
It is actually the Israeli strategy. They leave, Hamas comes back (along with civilian shields), they drive them out. Then they leave, Hamas comes back, they drive them out.
As you said, Israel has a tremendous amount of surveillance and intelligence. They know what Hamas is up to. They see how much the civilian population collaborates with them (A LOT).
But as we discussed, they dont have the manpower, interest or international carte blanche to actually take care of the problem; so it is a lot of this cat and mouse while they continually make the perimeters more and more secure and work on a deal that will see Hamas leave (at least as a state actor) and other actors come in.
Israel has made it clear they have no interest in governing Gaza
Israel hates the Palestinian Authority but has agreed to let them rule it under neighboring country supervision
But the geniuses in this thread keep spreading genocide expansion bs
nice euphemism. but nobody buys it anymore. we have all seen that their intention is to kill as many innocent people as possible.
They think it's all justified so no idea why you are trying to explain this to them
Well, he is going to the trouble to write out long analysis posts; and I am just pointing out ignoring the hostages makes his analysis very bad (especially as it pertains to Israel actions and motives) and if he cares he should probably stop doing that.
It is actually the Israeli strategy. They leave, Hamas comes back (along with civilian shields), they drive them out. Then they leave, Hamas comes back, they drive them out. As you said, Israel has a tremendous amount of surveillance and intelligence. They know what Hamas is up to. They see how much the civilian population collaborates with them (A LOT). But as we discuss
International carte Blanche is a great explanation
As much as people itt can claim how pro Israel this administration was, they definitely limited the damage that Israel could do
nice euphemism. but nobody buys it anymore. we have all seen that their intention is to kill as many innocent people as possible.
Lol
Genocide
Zionist
Occupying power
Are all euphemisms for you know what
I love how you use the word "we" so much in your propaganda
The real Karl Marx would be proud
do you know what a euphemism is?
not really. Zionist and occupying power are literal definitions.
genocide, at this point in time, could be considered a euphemism I guess. it doesnt do justice to the mass torture that Israel is doing at this time. the mass rape of prisoners, mass torture to death, mass burying alive, mass burning alive, mass mauling by dogs, mass sniping of children, mass flattening of people by bulldozers.
the term genocide is an abstraction that doesnt specifically reflect the absolute wickedness and gleeful murderousness of Israel's actions the last year.
Zionist means Israel has a right to exist
You do not believe Israel has a right to exist so you use the word as a euphemism to mean genocidal occupying power
