Cheating on the gulf coast

Preston was the one who got chip dumped to, left the table for 2 hours and talked to the guy who chip dumped to him.

I didn't bring anyone else up because he was the one apart of the situation.

If it was Ren, I would have dropped his name.

There's no theory.

We saw the chip dump by someone we do not know and he knows them.

He was called by Jack high on the river and doubled him up for a good amount in a main event.

People called him out for the chip dump.

He left the table for 2 levels and came back as the table broke.

This incident happened and it was very obvious.

Bamaturd88- If you play 8-10k online tournaments, you should have some wins but congratulations! What an achievement to win an online bracelet! Sounds like you need to get off of the basement computer though if youÂ’re naive enough to believe live tournament poker isnt being cheated. Being a buddy with someone is not useful information for the purposes of this thread but good on you for defending the honor of your friend.

No, you saw some random guy call Preston with Jack high. Have you ever played with Preston? 50% of the time that guy would have probably been making the right call and the fact that they know each other only backs up his decision.

Incredible

I have very rarely played on the Gulf Coast and never in an MTT there, and as far as I know I've never played with these guys. So I have no evidence either way on this and no strong opinion. With that said...

Haven't seen anyone address this, but this is a ridiculous way to try to defend yourself from a cheating allegation. Anyone who watched 10 minutes of YouTube videos after the mechanics in Texas got caught knows that suiting the deck during a break does ~nothing to improve the security of the game, and probably makes it less safe. Like, a mechanic who can do a mediocre false shuffle and deal bottoms can easily give you a nut flush off a suited deck. Easiest time in the world to do it.

Now, does that mean the allegations are true? I have no idea. But defenses like this make me more skeptical, not less.

While this has nothing to do with this stable, I will say that poker on the Gulf Coast seemed a tad bit shadier than in some other places, and I'd encourage everyone to be alert when playing there.

You start your post with saying you've rarely played and never an mtt and finish it off saying the play is shady... Get your story straight

I am not saying cheating is going on because I have zero knowledge. I will fully admit that.

That said, what you say about procedures is absolute nonsense and doesn't mean cheating between dealers and players isn't going on.

Again, I am not accusing anyone of anything. I have no knowledge of it. I do know that the procedures you quoted do not stop cheating. It isn't that hard for a mechanic to set a deck that has been in play for a hand or two. I have never done it and have never practiced it simply out of principle, but I understand how to do it and it wouldn't take much for a dealer to cold deck a player. Give me a few weeks of practice and I could do it and I am not even that dexterous of a dealer.

Stop. You are digging deeper. A dealer doesn't have to have a deck in their pocket to manipulate a shuffle.

Are you trying to distract from what is going on? You are being oddly specific in your claim of what is required forncheating when that requirement isn't even close.

Lot of bad reads in this thread.

Make fun of me or my post all you want but there are way more people like me that plays to have some fun in the hopes of maybe running good and winning a big one. I don't care what so ever matter of fact i let it roll off because its not important enough to make a stink over. I didnt in nither of these examples say a word but I did notice it. But there are people that are bothered by this type of stuff that it could be one of their first experiences playing a live WSOP event that decides to spend their money in the pit and not add to the prize pool because they felt some type of way about it.

Just remember when the guys like me quit coming and playing, tournaments get alot harder to win when it stacked full of pros.

I happened to be in Vegas playing dailies at the Wynn when Jeremy Becker went on an absolute tear there. He won like %25 of the tournaments he entered. It was ridiculous. I played with him enough to know he was experiencing a ridiculous outlier. He ran like a god, that phrase is often overused, but it was an understatement here. Furthermore I know enough dealers there that I absolutely know there wasn't any collusion going on. Most of the dealers there were not happy with him doing well.....

My point is that outliers happen. Players (or groups of players) run well. Variance happens. There is enough poker happening around the globe that someone somewhere is going to see ridiculous results.

So just the fact that a group of players is doing well is not evidence of cheating. Variance happens. All of the time.

That said, people are talking about weird circumstances, I wish they would elaborate with more details. That would help.

Please note that so far in this thread I have taken both sides so accusing me of anything doesn't work.

You are trying too hard.

I have seen dealers lose their jobs over stealing $25. Insanely stupid. My point, like in any profession, there are certain people who are willing to sell their soul for peanuts. A Lamborghini is overkill.

This. It really isn't that difficult. A monkey could be trained.

That is why it is so odd certain players insist dealers must show up with a deck in their pocket. It is oddly specific and clearly distracting.

Perhaps you have never played fair poker so maybe you don't realize this, variance matters. Being much better than the field doesn't mean as much as you think.

The more you talk, the more I am suspect.

Nice strawman.

If I'm not mistaken he was having a field day a few series' back over the chip count discrepancies for bagged satck as opposed to buy in numbers at Cherokee. He didn't name any names or accuse anyone but he was catching flack from a few guys that have been named here about those accusations.

Like a bit dog barks type of situation.

I agree. As a dealer, I hate having dealers brought into it. It rubs me wrong. That said, I also know as a dealer, the defenses are absurd and to quickly jumped to.

What do I make of that?

Bottom line: you are constantly being angled in every poker room and every tournament you play in. Not much you can do except be aware and don’t get caught in it. I’m always finding marked cards, I immediately draw attention and have them removed. If I see collusion, I call it out. If I see a chip dump I go to that person directly and I let them know not to do that **** at my table. What you do elsewhere is on you. I try to protect my bubble and that’s all you can do. Making accusations on here doesn’t accomplish anything. I’ve been playing this game for 25 years and I’ve seen real legit cheats. I’ve seen all the angles in the book. It’s sadly just part of the game. But I can assure you none of those dealers are mechanics. That part I know for sure. I dealt for many years and as a guy who practiced base dealing and Greek dealing and false shuffles in his younger days trying to become a mechanic…..that **** is hard to do! Even harder to do undetected on camera!😂

I would like to know know how many times you have been ever called by J high (let alone correctly). You act like this is a normal occurrence. It isn't. It is abnormal. So if it it happens it would be suspicious.

So how many times has it happened to you? I have been playing for 30 years and I can count less and a handful.

Ellix Powers. Still grinding it out on his leather as.s after all these years. He called with a Jack hi!!

Interesting.

I have literally nothing invested in this thread other than curiosity. I haven't played in these events. I am genuinely curious about what is happening. All I see is a bunch of people making absurd arguments in defense. Not a good look.

That has to be the most wishy washy legal answer way to avoid an accusation ever (while actually confirming it). Trump should make you Sec of State.