Israel/Palestine thread
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Please chill with the personal comments, friends 😀
Tel Aviv is safe for some gay people sure. But a gay Palestinian would be executed on sight so I think you are omitting some important facts.
https://www.haaretz.co.il/gallery/cinema...
Palestinians that were outed as gay flee and live in tel aviv, as it's their only safe haven.
You are really distorted in your head man
IDF said bombed apartments were Hezbollah base - but most of dead were civilians
But a BBC Eye investigation verified the identity of 68 of the 73 people killed in the attack and uncovered evidence suggesting just six were linked to Hezbollah's military wing. None of those we identified appeared to hold a senior rank. The BBC's World Service also found that the other 62 were civilians - 23 of them children.
Among the dead were babies only a few months old, like Nouh Kobeissi in apartment -2B. In apartment -1C, school teacher Abeer Hallak was killed alongside her husband and three sons. Three floors above, Amal Hakawati died along with three generations of her family - her husband, children and two granddaughters.
First off, at this point BBC is completely biased and untrustworthy, especially in Lebanon.
Second, if Lebanon doesn't like the results of wars with Israel, they should stop starting wars with Israel. Hezbollah are homicidal religious zealots who operate on behalf of the IRI, to the detriment of the Lebanese people. They are going to rebuild, rearm and start another war with Israel if they are allowed to.
The rest of the Lebanese people need to take control of their country back from these maniacs. Israel did a lot of the heavy lifting destroying Hezbollah's leadership and infrastructure, taking massive amounts of weapons, and pushing IRI out of Lebanon as much as they can. But at some point Lebanon has to step up and so some of the work itself, or it has to accept Hezbollah is going to start another war.
And Step 1 is honoring the ceasefire agreements and the Lebanese military taking back control of territory from Hezbollah and pushing them back to the Litani River, which they still haven't done yet. We are in this spot because the last ceasefire Lebanon pledged to take back control and push Hezbollah north they didn't do so. And instead they rebuilt, rearmed and started a war with Israel when their IRI handlers instructed them to. And so far it is Groundhog Day, and we are on a path towards the same thing happening again.
And a special shoutout to the UN "peacekeepers", which completely abdicated their own responsibility and basically functioned as support elements and human shields for Hezbollah.
Ironically, this story also points out just how much care Israel took to NOT kill civilians. IF the details of this this story are true (very questionable) then it is being reported as the single deadliest event which killed 73 people. When you consider how many buildings and terror tunnels Israel destroyed, and how many Hezbollah militants it killed, it is actually amazing they were so precise, and this is the exception and not the rule.
The point is wars are bad and people die. And pretending this is some great victory for the Palestinians and their allies (which a lot of sympathizers around the world are doing) and calling for more, it is setting the stage for this to all happen again.
oh yes, tell me more about honoring a ceasefire
and dont even get me started on the continual mass murder in Gaza
You really could have stopped at line 1.
BBC absolutely FOS.
lol as if on cue, Netanyahu just said they are going to stay in Lebanon longer.
this is why Hezbollah should never ever disarm.
Hamas murdering Palestinians in the streets. Yikes, the public outrage is going to be massive, right?
First off, at this point BBC is completely biased and untrustworthy, especially in Lebanon.
Second, if Lebanon doesn't like the results of wars with Israel, they should stop starting wars with Israel. Hezbollah are homicidal religious zealots who operate on behalf of the IRI, to the detriment of the Lebanese people. They are going to rebuild, rearm and start another war with Israel if they are allowed to.
The rest of the Lebanese people need to take control of their country back from these
Nothing can justify such action by anyone including Israel - however bad othr people are, nothing can beign to justify this. The only possible defense is that it isn't true but when you have to resort to calling so much biased and **** then you're losing whichever way you look at it.
You're the ones saying it's a great victory for hamas by insisting the whole world is believing a complete fabrication about what Israel has become.
You're the ones saying it's a great victory for hamas by insisting the whole world is believing a complete fabrication about what Israel has become.
Victory for Hamas yes. But it is a defeat for humanity, especially the Palestinian people.
Hamas and Hezbollah, and everyone else dedicated to the destruction of Israel no matter how much death and misery their actins cause, are the enemy of all humanity.
And I would say the world, especially the Western World, failing to acknowledge this reality and facilitating these monsters is a great failing on the world's part.
The day after the greatest massacre of Jewish people since the Holocaust, before Israel had even started collecting the hundreds of bodies, Hezbollah decided to hit Israel while it was down and open a second war front.
The entire world should have said this was unacceptable and done everything to stop it. Instead, they sat and watched for months as this war Hezbollah started escalated. And then they want to have faux outrage that people died in the war they allowed to happen and just watched.
I say what is unacceptable and nothing can justify is how your country, my country, and the entire world responded to this horrible behavior by Lebanon/Hezbollah/IRI. And how they are agnostic towards everything going back to how it was before, guaranteeing this happens again.
Shame on the world, shame on Britain, shame on you.
By their biased reporting, it is clear the BBC wants things to go back to how they were. They want Israel to retreat, Hezbollah to declare victory and go right back to the border and rebuild the war machine. And for this all to happen again. And then when Hezbollah attack again and Israel responds, they will have predictable faux outrage.
It is a giant farce.
I definitely agree it's been a backwards step for humanity
It's not so clear that it is the BBC who is biased
You left out the part where tens of thousands of Gazans were killed and the entire city was destroyed. And most of their allies are shells of what they were on 10/8.
And Hamas is still around, which is the worse thing for Gaza, because no one is going to be rushing in to rebuild with those maniacs around, and war between Israel and Hamas can restart at any moment.
This was not a win for Gaza.
The point of my post is that the pro-Pal Democrat abstainers were correct, and that as of now (you are correct that we have to see how the rest of the ceasefire plays out), a Trump presidency is better for the resistance, both short term and long term.
(By the way, Doyle, since you are constantly harping on this point, do you care to comment?)
As far as whether this is a "win," the Gazans just Vietnam'd one of the most advanced, well-funded militaries in the world. At huge cost, yes, but that was the intent going into Oct 7 should Israel not do an immediate exchange and try to get the hostages back by force. It's not a loss if you recognize beforehand that this is a cost that you are willing to pay.
You are thinking about it from a 'my standard of living is lower, therefore we're not going in the right direction' post-WW2 American perspective (the product of being able to print the world reserve currency and sweep wars under the rug without the population having to actually make sacrifices). But think about it like this: now the Gazans can look around, think of everyone who died for the cause, think about the sacrifices they themselves made, and hold their heads up knowing that they are complete badasses and that Israel is not invincible. This specific feeling, which is universally inspirational, is completely gone from the Western world outside of fiction.
Your premise is that Israel can always control the situation by force and that resistance is futile, but there are many counter arguments for this that I've stated ad nauseum in this thread (US fiscal unsustainability, losing the public opinion of future generations, etc...).
According to the mainstream Western media, Hamas was on its last legs just a few weeks ago, and yet now they are having ticker-tape parades in the center of Gaza City. The fact that the Republican president facilitated this is a real bad sign for the future of Israel in its current form.
"Truly apocalyptic"
oh you would have done the thing that Hamas tried to do the day after but Israel rejected bc they wanted to do some genocide.
Pretty brutal snuff film of Hamas executing people in the streets of Gaza circulating around.
Now that they are the darlings of the far left and Ummah for “defeating” Israel they are empowered enough to do it in uniform.
And they know the western press will completely ignore it and run interference for them as isn’t convenient to their narrative.
Going to be a lot of brutality in Gaza moving forward because the world took the expedient and cynical route and put zero pressure on hamas and their supporters (Qatar, turkey)
yes its a shame they werent tried in a court of law from stealing aid and collaborating with the genocidal Israelis.
What, you mean Israel murdered sixty to a hundred thousand people but Hamas are still running around the streets?
Can’t imagine what might have caused people to join Hamas.
there is something darkly comedic about Dun and the Israeli supporters all over twitter who are all of sudden deeply concerned about Palestinians dying in the street.
Al Jazeera just released some videos of Sinwar leading battles in Gaza. I guess Seymour Hearst was misinformed about him surrounded by hostages under Shifa.
