Moderation Questions for Whiners
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
That can't be hard to understand, surely? If we knew you'd appreciate some support you'd have got tons of it against what craig said, believe me.
The best people at sorting out trouble in pubs has always been female, not male, bar staff imo.
btw I still remember being a 13 year old well-mannered boy who held a door open for a woman and got shouted at furiously "Don't YOU hold a door open for ME!" in a busy high street - corpus is right, these things can be hard to navigate.
But that was the 70s and things were very ****ed up indeed.
Look, I very clearly said I am struggling right now in my real life with a lot of this garbage. It’s finally clear to me that the last thing I need on top of it all is to be wasting my time being berated and accused of various thought crimes by a bunch of ******* men on the internet for my attempts at being thoughtful and fair with them. I can’t even express my distaste for this place at this point. Maybe I just need a vacation or something.
It always ends like this. It's inevitable.
I know, it sucks. The people that care the most ultimately get run off.
It really wouldn't hurt my feelings all that much if the entire politics subforum just went away. Just seeing the abject horribleness out there doesn't do much for my sanity. I know, I can just walk away. Probably will eventually.
I'm also not really optimistic that platforms that allow opposition to the new putin-in-chief will be allowed to operate in the not too distant future.
Here is a list of things I care about. I've abbreviated the list as a concession to the reader.
1. The influence of our technology on human civilization.
2. . . . . .
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987,458. What my neighbor's cat had for dinner.
987,459. How many blades of grass there are in Asia.
987,460. craig's views on moderation of the 2+2 Politics forum
No one's saying this is about you at all, but about the idea of someone sitting in a bar with friends, interrupting their conversations and arguments and silencing them or even kicking them out of the bar.
This isn't a good analogy. A lot of people behave on the internet in a way that they would never dare to behave in a face-to-face interaction.
That's not true - when they discuss politics people often call each other stupid, fascists, commies and other names and then make up. It's often said that two subjects that shouldn't be discussed in pubs are religion and politics.
But the point about anonymity emboldening people is true, and rows probably happen more often online.
I don't want to be part of that whole toxic cis gender mansplaining patriarchal oppressor malarky, sorry. Maybe you like being a caveman but I don't.
And Jasus how old are you, 172? I had to look up that reference, it's from the 30s, when everything was b&w instead of the colour we have today.
I'll do it
I know, it sucks. The people that care the most ultimately get run off.
It really wouldn't hurt my feelings all that much if the entire politics subforum just went away. Just seeing the abject horribleness out there doesn't do much for my sanity. I know, I can just walk away. Probably will eventually.
I'm also not really optimistic that platforms that allow opposition to the new putin-in-chief will be allowed to operate in the not too distant future.
lol, all you do there is insult people
you are the problem you speak of
Unfortunately that's at least half the regs.
nobody's perfect
i'm neither, i'm a centrist and you repeatedly insult me without any cause
you're just there to vent because you're bitter and everyone is catching your strays
so it's absurd for you to then call it a cesspool that should be excised, it's that way because you turned it into your playground for bullying and just being a douche to everyone
suggested rules
almost no bans for expression of political views. luciom and victor on their worst day would not qualify for bans
jackhi going on a swastika posting spree is the sort of stuff which would qualify for a ban
doxxing is a perma with no exceptions
an arguments thread is created. when a thread gets derailed by personal conflict, the arguers are asked to move their conversation to the argument thread. failure to move is a warning, failure to heed warning is a 1 day ban
post reports are not to be used other than for flagging spam. no one cares
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these rules would result in happier mods and, overall, happier forum participants. the quality of debate might suffer a little, but i wouldn't worry about that as no one here has anything of any worth to say
yeah it's wild that people are like "omg why are victor and luciom allowed to post" and meanwhile jackhi went largely ignored
On social media there is a major bot issue as everyone knows. The platforms are not going to do anything about the bots as they say they drive engagement and more importantly inflate ad revenue. Old school sites like this still have a great niche as you're talking to a real person 95% of the time. Would be a shame to close the place down for a non monetary reason.
i'm neither, i'm a centrist and you repeatedly insult me without any cause
you're just there to vent because you're bitter and everyone is catching your strays
so it's absurd for you to then call it a cesspool that should be excised, it's that way because you turned it into your playground for bullying and just being a douche to everyone
Calling yourself a centrist doesn't make you a centrist
Having centrist views makes you a centrist
Hope that helps!
My number one rule would be.
Don't take things so seriously. This is the internet, not real life.
And Mods, get a life and stop trying to police every little bit of banter between grown adults. So, someone's feelings might get hurt. Who cares?
I get abused everyday on here and I don't complain about it, I just laugh it off.
proud to be obtuse itt
Jackhi was permaed. So like, the opposite of ignored.
And you can't point to a single post of mine to back up your personal attack.
lol i was defending you buddy - in fact saying you were fine and any complaints about you were stupid
and jackhi was allowed to post quite a bit, he got 434 undeleted posts before getting the perma - that's quite a bit of rope he was given
Look, I very clearly said I am struggling right now in my real life with a lot of this garbage. It’s finally clear to me that the last thing I need on top of it all is to be wasting my time being berated and accused of various thought crimes by a bunch of ******* men on the internet for my attempts at being thoughtful and fair with them. I can’t even express my distaste for this place at this point. Maybe I just need a vacation or something.
Thank you for all the time and effort you put in.
