Israel/Palestine thread
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It's funny how the "humanists" are the least human people. Jal, your bias is showing all the way to the moon
As Israeli hostages are starting to give account of their ordeal, they are stating what anyone with half a brain already knows. That UNRWA directly participated in holding Israeli's hostage over the last year+.
Other than the nations that just own their blatant antisemitism, such as Ireland and Norway (interesting coincidence that these were also 2 nations that declared themselves neutral in WWII, even after finding out about the Holocaust) it will be interesting to see how western democracies
This is blatantly untrue. Ireland declared its neutrality in February 1939 seven months before ww 2 started. Aspects of the Holocaust didn't become known until 1942 via reports of mass executions. Why do you insist on making up bullshit?
Also we aren't an Anti Semitic country even if our government is unfortunately pro Palestinian.
Also we never took in a bunch of Nazi scumbags and shielded them from facing justice the way you lot did with operation paperclip so clean up your own house first before whinging about others' .
This is blatantly untrue. Ireland declared its neutrality in February 1939 seven months before ww 2 started. Aspects of the Holocaust didn't become known until 1942 via reports of mass executions. Why do you insist on making up bullshit?
Also we aren't an Anti Semitic country even if our government is unfortunately pro Palestinian.
Also we never took in a bunch of Nazi scumbags and shielded them from facing justice the way you lot did with operation paperclip so clean up your own house first be
? He wrote "even after finding out about the holocaust".
Ireland never entered the war, so the above is right
This is blatantly untrue. Ireland declared its neutrality in February 1939 seven months before ww 2 started. Aspects of the Holocaust didn't become known until 1942 via reports of mass executions. Why do you insist on making up bullshit?
Also we aren't an Anti Semitic country even if our government is unfortunately pro Palestinian.
Also we never took in a bunch of Nazi scumbags and shielded them from facing justice the way you lot did with operation paperclip so clean up your own house first be
The point is there is pretty much nothing UNRWA could do that would get Ireland to stop supporting them.
But for more discerning nations, it will be interesting to see whether the fact that there is little plausible deniability that UNRWA directly supports Hamas and was directly involved in holding Israelis (and Americans, Thai's and others) hostage will change their relationship to the organization moving forward.
No the point is you're making up bullshit. You need to stop bullshitting if you wish your points to be taken on board. I don't agree with the Irish government pro Palestinian stance. That doesn't mean we're an Anti Semitic nation and this is the same bad faith bullshit that Vic spews with his endless accusations of genocide apartheid etc.
? He wrote "even after finding out about the holocaust".
Ireland never entered the war, so the above is right
No it isn't as we declared neutrality before the war (unlike you Nazi collaborators), whereas the Holocaust only became known three years into the war. So no the above isn't right at all whatsoever and is utter bullshit.
No it isn't as we declared neutrality before the war (unlike you Nazi collaborators), whereas the Holocaust only became known three years into the war. So no the above isn't right at all whatsoever and is utter bullshit.
Yes and after the holocaust became known, you didn't join the war!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! that's the point.
South american countries did join the war after the holocaust was known. Even Argentine did for a few months. Chile Bolivia and Colombia joined the allies in 1943.
Yes and after the holocaust became known, you didn't join the war!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! that's the point.
South american countries did join the war after the holocaust was known. Even Argentine did for a few months. Chile Bolivia and Colombia joined the allies in 1943.
No. He said we declared neutrality even after finding out about the Holocaust when we declared it before the war even started and the Holocaust didn't become known until three years later, regardless of your weird ass umpteen exclamation marks.
I know English isn't your first language but you speak it very well, so you need to improve your reading comprehension issues.
As the Jew in here, I think that knowing how the Germans treated Jews even before 1941 (i.e. before the "official" holocaust), and especially after 1938, and choosing to stay neutral, is also a very bad look.
The hottest place in hell and so on...
wanna compare sizes?
As the Jew in here, I think that knowing how the Germans treated Jews even before 1941 (i.e. before the "official" holocaust), and especially after 1938, and choosing to stay neutral, is also a very bad look.
The hottest place in hell and so on...
As bad as Israel helping Nazi war criminals such as Walter Rauff? Who pioneered mobile gas chambers via large trucks? Or not as bad as Ireland staying neutral? Or is it different when Israel helps Nazi war criminals a mere five years after The Holocaust, because reasons and excuses?
Like I said to Dun, clean up your own house first before whinging about others yeah? Hottest place in hell and so on indeed..
As bad as Israel helping Nazi war criminals such as Walter Rauff? Who pioneered mobile gas chambers via large trucks? Or not as bad as Ireland staying neutral? Or is it different when Israel helps Nazi war criminals a mere five years after The Holocaust, because reasons and excuses?
Like I said to Dun, clean up your own house first before whinging about others yeah? Hottest place in hell and so on indeed..
Come on. Arguing that the United States and Jews were the real nazi sympathizers and Ireland was the real good guys in WW2 is just nonsense on your part.
You realize while your country was napping it out and preparing condolence speeches to the nazis, everyone else was fighting them and dying by the thousands (if not millions). Just take the L and move on.
Come on. Arguing that the United States and Jews were the real nazi sympathizers and Ireland was the real good guys in WW2 is just nonsense on your part.
You realize while your country was napping it out and preparing condolence speeches to the nazis, everyone else was fighting them and dying by the thousands (if not millions). Just take the L and move on.
Oh I'm not arguing as that implies it's subjective. It isn't. America helped oodles of Nazis and Israel helped Nazi war criminal Walter Rauff. Facts. Unlike you I don't bullshit. I never said anything about Ireland being the good guys in ww2 I accurately said we were neutral and just as accurately pointed out how we secretly helped the allies so take your strawman and stick it where the sun don't shine, and I'm choking on the irony of a dude who's linked tweets by actual neo nazis accusing my country of being ant Semitic and the bloke in question happens to be you btw.
And you never answered my question- which is worse, staying neutral during ww2 or helping Nazi scumbags escape justice?
Can you answer or not?
Oh I'm not arguing as that implies it's subjective. It isn't. America helped oodles of Nazis and Israel helped Nazi war criminal Walter Rauff. Facts. Unlike you I don't bullshit. I never said anything about Ireland being the good guys in ww2 I accurately said we were neutral and just as accurately pointed out how we secretly helped the allies so take your strawman and stick it where the sun don't shine, and I'm choking on the irony of a dude who's linked tweets by actual neo nazis accusing m
Staying neutral is worse yes.
Keeping nazis whose skills you can exploit on your side because you have other enemies to fight and with nazis done history doesn't end is just real politik. Staying neutral even after absolute evil has been exposed on one side alone means being actually pretty evil, unless you are in a position where taking a side would cause a lot of civilian deaths to your population.
So sweden staying neutral is acceptable, Ireland, not at all.
Rauff wasn't helped though
Sweden hadn't been part of the BE for hundreds of years, so Ireland did have a reason not to want to send its population to fight alongside the British Army.
Though de Valera did offer the German people condolences on the death of Hitler, which sticks in the throat somewhat.
https://x.com/sentdefender/status/188647...
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Politico reports that U.S. President Donald J. Trump will sign an Executive Order later today, withdrawing the United States from the U.N. Human Rights Council and halting all future funding to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) in the Palestinian Territories.
If it happens, it's SO GOOD. Italy should follow course like we did when we suspended them earlier. We shouldn't fund terrorists, nor participate in "human rights councils" that are made up with members who are inimical to base human rights.
USA and UK have lots of stains on their records concerning the holocaust (USA turned Jewish refugees away - ran DP Camps for years after the war keeping Jewish victims prisoner - UK had Nazi royals)...whatever...all those people are dead. Ireland had plenty of complicity too. Getting defensive about what "your" country did 80 years ago is in the nationalism/xenophobia/fascism family.
Staying neutral is worse yes.
Keeping nazis whose skills you can exploit on your side because you have other enemies to fight and with nazis done history doesn't end is just real politik. Staying neutral even after absolute evil has been exposed on one side alone means being actually pretty evil, unless you are in a position where taking a side would cause a lot of civilian deaths to your population.
So sweden staying neutral is acceptable, Ireland, not at all.
Rauff wasn't helped though
Only in your bizrare effed up universe could staying neutral be worse than actually helping nazi war criminals who played an active significant part in the Holocaust.
And Rauff was helped.
https://www.haaretz.com/2007-03-29/ty-ar...
https://newlinesmag.com/review/the-nazi-...
Anyway I'm going to disagree with you that staying officially neutral in a world war, while secretly helping the Allies, is worse than helping monsters like Walter Rauff escape justice. At least you had the balls to answer though, even if I find your answer laughable.
https://x.com/sentdefender/status/188647...
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Politico reports that U.S. President Donald J. Trump will sign an Executive Order later today, withdrawing the United States from the U.N. Human Rights Council and halting all future funding to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) in the Palestinian Territories.
If it happens, it's SO GOOD. Italy should follow course like we did when we suspended them earlier. We shouldn't fund terrorists, nor participate
I don’t really understand why so many western liberals don’t see that unrwa is part of the problem, not the solution. I get there is a lot of corruption and bribery that explains why many heads of state and NGOs are in bed; but you would hope the average liberal would have some more sense.
No one ia saying don’t provide aid to Palestinians. But after an 80 year sample size doing it this way, it is clear something new needs ro be imagined and employed.
I don’t really understand why so many western liberals don’t see that unrwa is part of the problem, not the solution. I get there is a lot of corruption and bribery that explains why many heads of state and NGOs are in bed; but you would hope the average liberal would have some more sense.
No one ia saying don’t provide aid to Palestinians. But after an 80 year sample size doing it this way, it is clear something new needs ro be imagined and employed.
Hey dun, you still haven't answered my question. Which is worse, neutrality or helping rotten Nazi swine get away with it?
Guys like this??
Thoughts?? 
No one ia saying don’t provide aid to Palestinians. But after an 80 year sample size doing it this way, it is clear something new needs ro be imagined and employed.
Ehm i do. Certainly not a single dollar or eur should be spent for "legacy refugees" from the area they call Palestine. I think paying for them for 2 years after they are elsewhere would already be extremely generous. But that's what i think in general for refugees, even actual real ones (like ukrainians in europe).
You come, we assist in settling down, then you are treated identically to any other resident with the same income, family size and so on. It's kinda insane to argue otherwise imho
Hey dun, you still haven't answered my question. Which is worse, neutrality or helping rotten Nazi swine get away with it? Thoughts??
You are right. Ireland was clearly the good guys in WW2, and Jews and Americans were the real nazi sympathizers.
And support of the people who did 10/7 and using the aushwitz ceremony as a platform to criticize Israel has been very appropriate.
Ireland is and clearly has been the good guys all along.
You are right. Ireland was clearly the good guys in WW2, and Jews and Americans were the real nazi sympathizers.
And support of the people who did 10/7 and using the aushwitz ceremony as a platform to criticize Israel has been very appropriate.
Ireland is and clearly has been the good guys all along.
Again with your chickenshit strawman pap cite were I said anything about good guys . Never said you were sympathizers either I accurately stated that your country helped Nazi dirtbirds escape justice. Which they did. And speaking of anti Semitism, try as I might, I have no recollection of Jews being banned from country clubs in Ireland. Or Irish people marching with tiki torches screaming that "Jews will not replace us" yet again clean up your own gaff first mate.
