Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Having said that, if you just assume that everything Israel says is false you won't be wrong too often.
Lots of bad stuff happens in the fog of war, where the truth never comes out. One of the reasons wars generally aren't considered good ideas. Again, the problem with your "truth seeking" is that your end is just antisemitism; you couldn't care less what the truth is. Do you think we will ever find out how many Palestinians were killed by their own rockets, including the hos
lol at thinking the hospital thing was PIJ. it was Israel. Israel are the people who bomb hospitals and brag about it.
Meh. The Arab plan at the time was to create their own fascist ethnostate throughout the region modeled on Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. They made no secret their plans to purge the land of Jews, and famously made overtures ro Nazi Germany to assist them in doing so. They just lost to the Zionist Jews, and instead settled for ethnic cleaning of Jews from the entire MENA ex
That's a tremendous post. And I see no historic error anywhere in there. Those are the facts.
But micro the second we go "OG Natives", that's the Jews. Dig in the ground, it's OUR coins. Our relics. Our pottery. I know, I dug them up one Summer.
same coins that Bibi used to pretend his Hungarian family has been in Israel for 5000 years straight?
Anyway, nobody knows who was there first, however many thousands of years ago that occurred. There's no secular history out there strong enough to draw hard conclusions otherwise. I don't know, and you don't know, even taking into account your hasbara schoolboy field trip or whatever. Nobody knows.
What we DO know, however, is that Israelis are CURRENTLY disproportionately committing acts of violence on a captive Palestinian population. For me, that matters 100000x more than an eternal debate over ancient history, but you may disagree.
Yeah. I mean, putting the correctness of anyone's claims aside, he actually bothers to cite things/share sources, often from non-friendly outlets, while the Zionists just make naked assertions all day and then sit back and flex their self-righteousness like they've accomplished something.
Having said that, if you just assume that everything Israel says is false you won't be wrong too often.
right you would think these guys would learn. but Israel trotted out the same doctor that claimed he saw beheaded babies to spew lies about the Bibas twins.
lol at thinking the hospital thing was PIJ. it was Israel. Israel are the people who bomb hospitals and brag about it.
See. Exactly my point. Truth is completely irrelevant. Antisemitism is the means and the ends.
When Israel investigates and determines the Hannibal directive happened on 10/7, they are telling the truth and this is evidence Israel is evil. When Israel investigates and determines (along with every other nation) a PIJ failed rocket hit a hospital compound and caused a mass casualty event, they are clearly lying and this is evidence Israel is evil.
The fact that we know thousands of rockets failed and landed in Gaza, and it is impossible for you to accept one of them may have caused a casualty event, just shows how completely bad faith your entire approach is.
theres a lot more to the story than Israeli investigations. if you strip these events of all context, and remove all public evidence, and just rely on what Israel saying trust me bro, the well I refer you to Jal's post.
See. Exactly my point. Truth is completely irrelevant. Antisemitism is the means and the ends. When Israel investigates and determines the Hannibal directive happened on 10/7, they are telling the truth and this is evidence Israel is evil. When Israel investigates and determines (along with every other nation) a PIJ failed rocket hit a hospital compound and caused a mass cas
Dunyain is on a roll today. Just going to sit and watch this.
Pretty pretty great posting.
Yeah. I mean, putting the correctness of anyone's claims aside, he actually bothers to cite things/share sources, often from non-friendly outlets, while the Zionists just make naked assertions all day and then sit back and flex their self-righteousness like they've accomplished something.
you and your fellow travellers believe that israel is uniquely evil and that its jewish inhabitants should be forcibly removed and/or exterminated. you are antisemitic to the core, and no citation is going to change your mind
so why would anyone bother
you and your fellow travellers believe that israel is uniquely evil and that its jewish inhabitants should be forcibly removed and/or exterminated. you are antisemitic to the core, and no citation is going to change your mind
so why would anyone bother
While I can follow the train of though Dunyain and I discussed yesterday where Israel and Judaism are interchangeable, and how believing that could lead one to assume everyone who is against Israel is antisemitic, and can also acknowledge that antisemitism is quite common, I really have to push back that I don't think its a particularly logical, accurate, or most importantly, useful train of thought to express when debating who wants to wipe whomever off the planet more.
we dont have to debate it - its a matter of record that karl is all over the first three pages of this thread (10/7 and 10/8) cheering on the rapists as they raped their way through the music festival and so on
no other reasonable explanation
Nah. The Palestinians (at least in Gaza) would actually be easier to handle if it wasn't for the rest of the world intervening to subsidize them and forcing Israel to fight with 2 hands tied behind its back. They are already in the reservations, they are just being propped up while inside the reservations by outside geopolitical dynamics. Israel has complete control of the
A fairly accurate assessment. The only problem, which you failed to mention, is that Israel is also propped up by outside funding. Imagine what would have happened over the past 16 months if there wasn't a steady resupply coming from the US and its allies.
And as the polls show, on a generational timeline, Israel is in far greater danger of getting defunded than the Palestinians. That is the entire anti-Zionist strategy. It's a poker game where Israel is desperately trying to win the next hand, and the resistance is laughing as Netanyahu donks off its international credibility.
While I can follow the train of though Dunyain and I discussed yesterday where Israel and Judaism are interchangeable, and how believing that could lead one to assume everyone who is against Israel is antisemitic, and can also acknowledge that antisemitism is quite common, I really have to push back that I don't think its a particularly logical, accurate, or most importantly, u
why do you think that antisemitism is quite common? I am assuming you mean the old definition of antisemitism from the White Europeans and not the new definition that simply refers to criticism of Israel.
No, it's not. Dunyan constantly just makes things up. If he's talking about some general Arab plan like all the Arab world had a singular plan, that's just like saying "the white person plan" or something. It's absurd.
If he's talking about a specific Arab Plan, he'd be talking about the Arab contingents proposal for settlement in 1947 and it's contained in here:
https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/se...
and it calls for a representative democracy with Hebrew and Arab districts where Jews or Arabs were a majority respectively.
If he's talking about the reaction to the 1948 war, that's something different and if he's talking about Pan-Arabism he's talking about another thing that happened years later.
Lots of bad stuff happens in the fog of war, where the truth never comes out. One of the reasons wars generally aren't considered good ideas. Again, the problem with your "truth seeking" is that your end is just antisemitism; you couldn't care less what the truth is. Do you think we will ever find out how many Palestinians were killed by their own rockets, including the hos
Vic does make a solid point about the pro-Pal posters having a better ability to be objective given the limited evidence in the "fog of war."
I mean, there were pictures of parking lots fulls of cars completely incinerated. Did you think the Palestinian militants brought tons of RPGs on dirt bikes and paragliders and randomly sprayed them at cars when they knew they would have helicopters and tanks coming after them? The Palestinians = barbaric animals mentality is what allowed you to believe this.
why do you think that antisemitism is quite common? I am assuming you mean the old definition of antisemitism from the White Europeans and not the new definition that simply refers to criticism of Israel.
Evil Christians blaming Jews for killing Jesus and hatred of outsiders generally.
And as the polls show, on a generational timeline, Israel is in far greater danger of getting defunded than the Palestinians. That is the entire anti-Zionist strategy. It's a poker game where Israel is desperately trying to win the next hand, and the resistance is laughing as Netanyahu donks off its international credibility.
I don’t expect Israel is going to go gently into the night, and the anti zionists are going to find it a very Pyrric victory.
I think it better just to stop subsidizing the resistance, let it fail, and then everyone, especially Palestinians, moves on with their lives.
But that is just me.
we dont have to debate it - its a matter of record that karl is all over the first three pages of this thread (10/7 and 10/8) cheering on the rapists as they raped their way through the music festival and so on
no other reasonable explanation
ok BOIDS coming in hot today too.
Well done chaps.
btw for the Jews still reading or lurking, this was just unreal. Liev is a gem
Having said that, if you just assume that everything Israel says is false you won't be wrong too often.
That's part of a pattern that should be fairly apparent to people here:
1) Israel makes a false assertion portraying themselves as victims
2) Critics of Israel say it's a lie, basing their conclusion on common sense and observations not incorporated into the initial lie
3) Influential Zionists in the U.S. tell their U.S. lackeys in media and government to broadcast said false assertion
4) Israel eventually walks back the claims in its media
5) The U.S. media and U.S. politicians continue to assert the false claims even through blatant contradiction in Israeli media
This is the false rape allegations, the false beheaded babies stories etc. A few weeks ago a major prosecutor in Israel said there were no credible witnesses to any rapes on Oct. 7th by Hamas. Some kind of blitz attack trying to secure as many hostages as possible, getting fired on by machine guns and missiles, knowing your chances of surviving slim at best, is not an occasion for rape. Rape happens in war, but generally when an enemy has secured a civilian area, not when you are trying to kidnap people in a scenario where bullets are flying.
That's part of a pattern that should be fairly apparent to people here:1) Israel makes a false assertion portraying themselves as victims2) Critics of Israel say it's a lie, basing their conclusion on common sense and observations not incorporated into the initial lie3) Influential Zionists in the U.S. tell their U.S. lackeys in media and government to broadcast said false asse
The attack lasted several hours. Plenty of time for rape.
alternatively, Zionists go after a child (what else is new?) bc his Dad is a civil servant tasked with helping to provide food for a blockaded population. BBC relents bc they are spineless and supporters of White Supremacy.
Did you or your buddy make any comments in here based on what you learned from this documentary? If so you may want to acknowledge whatever false statements you made.
The BBC has owned up to a slight failure of due diligence in broadcasting a Hamas-sponsored 'documentary'.
This is big. I would imagine this just scratches the surface regarding false facts and conflicts of interest in Gaza documentaries.
