GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread

I guarantee that someone on the Lakers read the assisted rate **** and was like "yeah.. he should get that number up... especially alongside Luka"

And voila... Now it's high for the first time in his career despite playing with tons of ball-dominators previously... It's not like anyone else talks about silly nonsense like assisted rate - only me... And recently, it's been high for the first time in his career... Go figure...

Of course, I mentioned a couple days ago that Lebron's assisted buckets were actually in transition, so now they fixed that for tonight's game too... So yeah.. I'm taking March off and I'll be back in April to expose him once and for all.

Again, the bolded above isn't opinion because Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team or Finals team with weak scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, so he never carried weak help over top teams.. He also never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load on championship level).

Since he can't carry the scoring load, he needs extra star help compared to guys that could carry the scoring load like Curry or MJ, and this need for expensive offensive help reduces the GM's capacity to get good defenders..

So an inability to carry the scoring load hurts a team on many levels.. Lebron can't carry the scoring load because he's too ball-dominant as his scoring levels increase, so he can't beat top teams at carry-job volumes and needs franchise players that can match his scoring (AD, Wade, Luka)... Otoh, off-ball guys like Curry or Jordan score 40 while the ball moves, so they can beat top teams with high scoring levels and win with less star help (Klay, Pippen)

Fraudguy not watching the games, highlights, or even looking at stats bc LeBron is dominating offball since the Luka trade.

His demented cult-like beliefs are causing walls of text meltdowns about irrelevant nonsense as the Lake Show deliver win after win with LeBron playing his new role to perfection. MJ stans will try and tell you that scoring 22 pg on 46% TS playing a half season and losing every game was more impressive.

Right and he has energy on defense now, Lebron has been dominant since the trade.

Luka has struggled, but it's just 6 games after missing over a month from injury. FG loves his tiny samples only.

Reeves the best 2nd option in the league, I mean he comes up with some new idiotic gems.

Reaves is pretty funny representation of the cognitive dissonance of Fraudguy. He’s a perfect example of a guy who should have failed under the hater vision of LeBron - an undrafted guard who likes the ball in his hands a lot. Reaves himself wasn’t even a fan of LeBron growing up!

Instead, he’s improved a ton every year and blossomed significantly as a player next to LeBron. He’d be easily worth $35 million a year on the open market right now. And he absolutely loves LeBron.

Instead of facing reality, Fraudguy implies he’s a 28 ppg guy being held back by Bron lol. Amazing. And yes, LeBron has been playing at an all defensive level without AD. Anyone remember Darvin Ham? One of the worst coaches in NBA history but we had weeks of media coverage lamenting how good he was and blaming LeBron per usual. Crickets from the same people now that Redick is clearly a massive upgrade.

LeBron quarter assing it on defense for two and a half years to help convince Pelinka to ship out AD.

Amazing move imo

Nah, the Lakers' improved brand of ball is lowering their defensive requirements by wearing down opponents and putting them on their heels defensively, so they have less capacity for offense.

The Lakers are winning the attrition battle and adhering to a tenet of all competition - the best defense is a good offense.. This was always the flaw in Lebron's game - his ball-dominance at high volume (high-scoring ball-dominance) let defenses rest, so he was susceptible to teams with zippy ball movement that easily won the attrition battle, such as the Nuggets, Warriors, or Spurs - they all won by record margin, sweep, or both, despite having mostly equal rosters or worse... The massive upsets by the 1-star Mavs and Magic were also products of Lebron's high-scoring ball-dominance, which isn't a top 10 all-time caliber of basketball.

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THREAD SUMMARY

Synopsis and Top 10 Argument

If a player's career assisted rate on field goals is below 40%, then they're a primary ball-handler that scores mostly unassisted by teammates, aka ball-dominator... But the problem lies with high-scoring ball-dominators like Lebron, since they have a high volume of unassisted buckets that hurts the team assist ranking over time and increasingly places teammates in spot-up roles with higher assisted rates (1)... The increased spot-up roles for teammates are a direct funnel to Lebron's assists, while reducing his teammates' assists, thus causing low-assist teams compared to the typical champion (2, 3).. Low assist teams are the Achilles heel of high-scoring ball-dominators because every series loss of Lebron's playoff career shows deficits in team assists, except the goat choke in the 11' Finals..

Furthermore, by turning everyone into spot-up shooter, ball-dominators prevent elite roster construction, so they can't be the leading scorer for dynasties or dominant champions, and are 0 for 12 in doing so (4).. Since ball-dominators can't produce the best basketball, they're inferior to the best of other skillsets that can, such as bigs or jumpshooters (12 for 12).. This puts Lebron and all ball-dominators outside the top 10 all-time (behind the best bigs and jumpshooters)... With ball-dominators outside the top 10, the actual top 10 is a subjective mix of bigs and jumpshooters, such as MJ, Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Bird, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Curry, Jokic, Magic, Lebron, Oscar.. This is actually a top 13 with ball-dominators bringing up the rear...

Ultimately, high-scoring ball-dominance lets defenses rest, so they have more capacity for offense - this loses the attrition battle and doesn't adhere to a tenet of all competition that the best defense is a good offense.. By failing to win the attrition battle, Lebron's ball-dominance is susceptible to teams with zippy ball movement that wins the attrition battle, such as the Nuggets, Warriors, or Spurs - they all beat Lebron by record margin, sweep, or both, despite having equal rosters or worse most of the time...

The massive upsets by the 1-star Mavs and Magic were also products of Lebron's high-scoring ball-dominance, which isn't a top 10 all-time caliber of basketball - it can't win with normal rosters of 1 franchise player and needs super-teams of multiple franchise players, yet still has the lowest win frequency of any top 10 candidate.. 1 for 6 with AD isn't top 10 caliber, and neither are the mostly losing tenures with Love/Kyrie (couldn't win 60 games), or Wade/Bosh (goat choke and record loss bookending a win over babies and teammate bailout).

Early Career and Receiving 4 players that were better than 1990 Pippen

05' HUGHES.................. 21.6 PER... 0.157 WS/48... 3.7 VORP... 4.3 BPM... 22/6/5.... 1st Team All-D
90' PIPPEN.................... 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/6/5.... No All-D

09' MO WILLIAMS........ 17.2 PER... 0.165 WS/48... 3.1 VORP... 2.3 BPM... 17/3/4
90' PIPPEN.................... 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/7/5

09' JAMISON................. 20.6 PER... 0.126 WS/48... 2.8 VORP... 1.6 BPM... 22/9/2
90' PIPPEN.................... 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/7/5

06' ZYDRUNAS'.............. 21.9 PER... 0.184 WS/48... 2.1 VORP... 1.6 BPM... 16/8/1 (2 bpg)
90' PIPPEN..................... 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/7/5

Early Career is Misreported

If the 2008 Cavs had the worst cast in the league, then how did they basically beat the 2008 Celtics with Lebron playing worse than anyone ever has?... No one in history shot 35% with 5 TO's per game in a series except Lebron in the 08' ECSF, and also the 07' Finals (35.6% and 5.8 TO's).

It's easy to forget that Lebron entered the league with the East all-star center on his team and they added a player that was better than 1990 Pippen to make their first playoffs in 2006 (previous post).

But instead of 3-peating, Lebron played worse than anyone ever has in the 07' and 08' Playoffs and produced a 45-win team until Mo's all-star spacing took the team to another level in 2009, and helped Lebron's game... By elevating a 45-win loser to a 66-win league favorite, Mo's spacing proved to be the difference and a historic part of the foundation for Curry's style of play in later years...

By 2010, the Cavs were a 7th-year organic juggernaut and added another 2x all-star that outplayed Lebron in the 07' 1st Round, while also being a rare 20k scorer (Jamison).. It's pretty nice to have a better scorer than Pippen as your THIRD option, so the 2010 Cavs had more scoring options and better defenses than the 1st three-peat Bulls.. They also added a better center than Jordan ever had (Shaq).

The high defensive ranking in 09' and 10' was due primarily to Lebron's teammates, since the Cavs had great defensive ranking in 07' when Lebron was still 2 years away from being viewed as a good defender/all-defense.. The Cavs simply had a bevy of decorated defenders like Snow, Hughes, Varejao, Ben Wallace, and Zydrunas (2.1 bpg) - Jordan never had this caliber of defensive help that allowed top defensive ranking without Jordan himself being a good defender (all-defense).

Choking

When Jordan lost to the Bad Boys in the 1990 Eastern Conference Finals, he averaged 26.7 on 35.5% with 5.3 TO's per game to lose a very winnable series in 7 games... That's a choke by anyone's standards and a massive one - I don't know if anyone has ever averaged 35% and 5 TO's in a series.

Oh wait - I got the names confused - it was Lebron that wet the bed in a winnable 7-game series with 26 on 35% and 5 TO's in the 08' ECSF... It was his 2nd major choke after 22 on 36% and 6 TO's in the 07' Finals - this performance at 22 years old was a joke compared to 22-year Amare dominating the 05' Spurs with 37 on 55%, or 22-year old Kobe dominating the 01' Spurs with 33/7/7 on 53%..

In addition to the chokes in 07' and 08', Lebron had the worst-ever defensive blunder of defending Courtney Lee in the 09' ECF instead of Hedo or Rashard, while his 7 turnovers in the 4th and OT of Game 4 won the series for Orlando - Lebron was a 12 turnover per game player in clutch-time for that series.. This choke in 09, coupled with the chokes in 07', 08', and the 2010 meltdown were the precursors that should've predicted the goat choke in 2011.

Accordingly, Lebron was a massively-choking player and the media simply lies and pretends otherwise.. In addition to his chokes each year from 07' to 11', he's 0% on championship game-winners or tyers (0-7), with zero scores on the last possession of 1-possession Finals game in 10 Finals.. He's also only 37% on game-winners in the playoffs overall, with only 40% clutch-time efficiency (48% for old Jordan in 97' and 98' with 20% greater burden/attempts)..

Bron' lacks sufficient brand of ball to successfully carry the scoring load vs top teams

Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team or Finals team with weak scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, so he never carried weak help over top teams.. He also never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load on championship level).

Since he can't carry the scoring load, he needs extra star help compared to guys that could carry the scoring load like Curry or MJ, and this need for expensive offensive stars reduces the GM's capacity to get good defenders... So an inability to carry the scoring load hurts a team on many levels.. And a player like MJ or Curry's ability to carry the scoring load and therefore allow the GM to surround him with cheap defenders has a greater defensive impact than the player's individual defense.. This is why weaker defenders that can carry the scoring load like Bird or Curry still had #1 defenses.

The reason that Lebron can't carry the scoring load is because he's too ball-dominant as his scoring levels increase, so he can't beat top teams at carry-job volumes and therefore needs franchise players that can match his scoring (AD, Wade, Luka)... Otoh, off-ball guys like Curry or Jordan score 40 while the ball moves, so they can beat top teams with high scoring levels and win with secondary producers (Klay, Pippen).

Underachiever

Lebron had 6 straight preseason favorites and no one else had more than 3... Then he fell to underdog or lost for all 6 years, except the Allen miracle.. So he underachieves favored talent by losing with preseason favorites, or falling to underdog.. Lebron has the most losses with preseason favorites ever (4) and has a losing record with preseason favorites (3-4).

Lebron's weak brand of ball causes a losing record with every type of good team, such as preseason favorites (3-4), Finals teams (4-6), all-star teammates (4-7), 1 or 2 seeds (4-5), and 3 losses with homecourt (09-11').

Media Misreporting Durant's Career

The "Decision" gave Lebron 6 straight preseason favorites, which is unprecedented because no one else in history had more than 3 straight.. Then he enjoyed further unprecedented help when his sidekick outplaying the league MVP..

The media simply pretended that this unprecedented help wasn't something that needed to be overcome by another unprecedented advantage (KD's Warriors).. So both Lebron and KD had unprecedented advantages, but Lebron's lasted twice as long (11-16' vs 17-19').

Lebron falls short of the top caliber of MVP's, teams and achievement or accolade

Half of Lebron's MVP's lack titles and they all lack scoring titles, while his team achievement also falls short due to no 3-peat, 70 wins or dynasty (never a great team).. Lebron also wasn't all-defense in his 30's, so he wasn't required to be a good defender for the latter half of his chips, while passing less than MJ for the first half of his chips (less playoff APG through 9 years of their respective playoff careers - 06-14' vs 85-93').
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I've been proven right because he's doing what I told him to do.. He's doing what I've been saying for 1000 pages to do.

Consequently, the Lakers are a different team.. Their improved brand of ball is lowering their defensive requirements by wearing down opponents and putting them on their heels defensively, so they have less capacity for offense.. The Lakers are winning the attrition battle and adhering to a tenet of all competition - the best defense is a good offense.. This was always the flaw in Lebron's game - his ball-dominance at high volume (high-scoring ball-dominance) let defenses rest, so he was susceptible to teams with zippy ball movement that easily won the attrition battle, such as the Nuggets, Warriors, or Spurs - they all won by record margin, sweep, or both, despite having mostly equal rosters or worse... The massive upsets by the 1-star Mavs and Magic were also products of Lebron's high-scoring ball-dominance, which isn't a top 10 all-time caliber of basketball... It increases everyone's spot-up role or assisted rate, which has a negative correlation with their assists and therefore produces low-assist teams over time.. The dynamic of low team assists and spot-up roles for teammates prevented elite roster construction and chemistry, and therefore the best basketball (dynasties and dominant champions).

Since Lebron's assisted rate is up and the Lakers are better, just like I predicted, and since the Lakers assists are up overall now that the high-scoring ball-dominance has been removed, just like I predicted, and since their defense has improved due to their superior brand of ball on offense (attrition battle), just like I predicted, I can conclude that Lebron and Reddick are reading this thread..

Accordingly, since I know Lebron and Redick are reading, I'll talk to them directly - there's no need to talk to you guys anymore... Lebron, listen up - you aren't even putting up Karl Malone numbers - you don't even need to be as good as Karl Malone because you have a Magic-level distributor at point guard with Luka... MJ is goat because he won with a 5-assist guy and weak scorer (pippen), while everyone else including his peers needed an all-time floor generals like Stockton, Payton, Hardaway, and KJ, while you need Luka, Kyrie, Wade and all-time bigs as well - you need more help because you can't play at Jordan's level, which includes 30-35 ppg title runs versus your 26-30 ppg title runs - your peak was MJ's trough.. Your MVP caliber lacked the titles or scoring titles to match MJ's caliber.. You can't play defense compared to MJ and weren't all-defense for your entire 30's... You spent 22 years employing an inferior brand of ball that produced a long list of bad fits, perennial losing, and underachieving favored rosters.

Redick, listen up - once luka starts to heat up, the ball will start to flow his way, which means it's high-scoring ball-domination again.. He's just not hitting right now, but that won't last.. The Lakers need to keep him this summer, but how are they going to tell him to average only 19 like Magic so the Lakers can win?.. Oh wait.. that's your job to tell Luka to be the 3rd option behind Bron' and Reaves.. Then management's job to convince him to stay.. Good luck ; )

FG, the fact you want LeBron to start a dynasty at 40 and that you think he won't is a disappointment to you, shows how unrealistic your expectations are on LeBron and the ridiculous standard you set for him.

Rui Hachimura being the best 4th option in the league is pretty ridiculous. The guy was had for a few 2nd rounders.

The Celtics are a thing. I doubt he's even a top half of the league #4.

What are you talking about ???
Shaq and Kobe played together for 3 rings and both simultaneously had 10 ppg over each other ??

Duncan didn’t had 10 pts over in 2007 and wasn’t even the leading scorer in his last 2 rings….

Obviously dont bring up Kareem and magic …
Wade played and won 2 with LeBron ….certainly wasn’t the leading scorer too…

What are you babbling about trying to fine another dubious nonsense stats that basically means nothing again ….

Try again find stats of top 10 players that lebron doesnt have lol….

Btw you know about how your famous jump shooting is almost all that matters to be a top scorer or being top 10 to succeed?

But because it’s not lebron it doesn’t matter ain’t it ?

Poor fallguy …

Rui has been solid, especially for how cheap he was acquired. It's what FG does though everyone that plays with Lebron is amazing and everyone that played with MJ is a bum

He loves parroting the 1990 Pippen season and ignores that Pippen started playing a ton better the next year and that's a huge part of why they started winning titles.

Thank you for finally agreeing with the obvious — it is, and always has been, trivially easy for LeBron James to play off-ball when needed and dictated by the scheme in which he is playing.

If you can't articulate your positions, then you don't have one.. You're saying it's harder to NOT have the preseason favorite - you're obviously wrong on that.

^^^ the delusion is amazing.... You think I care about this year???... Lebron has played 23 seasons with no dynasty - that's why he isn't top 10 and that's what I've been talking about for 1000 pages... He's gone 23 years with no dynasty, so this year is simply further proof that his skillset and skills don't allow great teams, regardless of cast.

How many years would it take before you accept that his skills cannot produce a dynasty?? 30 years?? Would 50 years be enough??

You guys simply don't look at the facts objectively or even consider all the facts.. Lebron can't produce great teams, so he isn't top 10.

Rui is a 20 ppg scorer but stuffed into the 4th option..... 18 ppg with 2.5 three-point makes per game in the last 10 games.

Players who defeated max defensive attention (carried scoring load for playoffs and Finals of title run, i.e. approximately 10 ppg more than all teammates for playoffs and Finals):

Jordan........... 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998
Kobe.............. 2009, 2010
Curry............. 2015, 2022
Shaq.............. 2000
Hakeem........ 1994
Wade............. 2006
Duncan......... 2003
Bird............... 1984

Honorable mention: 2021 Giannis, 2011 Dirk, 2019 Kawhi

Scoring is the "star" category, so carrying the star category means winning with less stars, such as secondary producers like Klay, Pippen and Tony Parker - these guys get carried statistically and force the 1st option to defeat max defensive attention (carry scoring load).. This contrasts with franchise guys like Luka, Wade, or AD that dominate as equal-scoring partners and attract equal defensive attention, so Lebron never has to defeat max defensive attention (carry scoring load)..

In addition to winning with less star help, carrying the scoring load allows the GM to surround the 1st option with good defenders and have a better defensive team.

The reason that Lebron can't carry the scoring load is because he's too ball-dominant as his scoring levels increase, so he can't beat top teams at carry-job volumes and therefore needs franchise players that can match his scoring (AD, Wade, Luka)... Otoh, off-ball guys like Curry or Jordan score 40 while the ball moves, so they can beat top teams with high scoring levels and win with secondary producers (Klay, Pippen)..

We know that Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with weak scoring & efficiency from a sidekick, so he never carried weak help over top teams, while he also never defeated max defensive attention (never carried scoring load on championship level).
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Who cares about playing off-ball if you don't have to dominate or be great at it... Lebron is getting carried by a league-manufactured team and a "top 2" player in Doncic, so he isn't dominating like Jordan, Curry, Duncan, Kobe and others did by winning with lesser teammates and carrying the load - he simply doesn't have to be that good on this team because Luka can reach higher levels than Lebron is capable and Reaves can also take over, while Rui is a pippen-level scorer at 4th option (appropriate for pippen).

History shows that Lebron's ball-dominant skillset cannot produce the chemistry needed to win with normal rosters of 1 franchise player, so he needs additional franchise players like Luka, which allows Lebron to face no defensive attention and not dominate - he can play worse than Karl Malone and still win, so MJ and Curry are like "must be nice".. Otoh, if Lebron has lesser teammates that force him to carry the load, he becomes a massive ball-dominator and loser, thus requiring equal-scoring partners like Luka that allow him to not carry the load... Ultimately, playing at a lower level for longer (longevity) means nothing in the goat debate, or the top 10 debate.

He just scored 33 on 52.4 fg% with 17 rebounds and 6 assists. Every single one of those numbers are higher than Jordan’s career averages. He outscored Luka, the guy you say carried him, by 12 points. His assisted rate was 54.5% in a win. He did this at 40 years old. Jordan was averaging 20 on 44% shooting at 40.

I know you’re used to being wrong but you are quite literally wrong on every single point you have made. That is extreme even for you and you need to up your troll game.

Rui better than Pippen now? Cool

Hey FG. Who's better Rui or Ron Harper?

Cant wait for Josh Giddey to join the Lakers and suddenly be better than Rodman

Lebron has carried the scoring load before in a single regular season game - tons of guys have... It's means literally nothing.. Lebron has even carried the scoring load for entire regular seasons.

The issue is that he's never done it in a series against a top 5 SRS team (massive sample), so he's never carried weak help over top teams in the playoffs, and he also never won titles without the best scorers in the league becoming his teammates (Luka, AD, Wade, Kyrie, Love, Bosh).

In addition to not carrying the scoring load in a playoff series or winning with secondary producers, Lebron's current off-ball game requires a Magic-level floor general to set him up - Luka is an all-time floor general that carries the passing load and sets up Lebron at elite rates, while Jordan was stuck with a 5-assist guy that never averaged above 7 in his career, and that Jordan had to usually out-assist..

And regarding the assisted rate - as a fellow poster, beware of the fugazi on this one... Lebron is the leak-out guy now instead of the outletter, so the 2-3 leakouts that he gets from Magic per game accounts for the higher assisted rate alone - this will be reduced by 50-100% in the playoffs... But more importantly, I would review the 3-minute Lebron highlights if I were you to avoid getting fooled... It's essentially a hybrid version of your-turn-my-turn, where Luka is the primary ball-handler, so Lebron isn't looking to pass when he catches the ball.. But it's still usually down-hill where he gets to the hole in a few dribbles, so it's an assist - he isn't actually coming off screens in the half court, or getting assisted buckets at the end of shot clocks, or at the end of ball movement that deflates defenses.. I don't see him getting those buckets and the type of off-ball play in the halfcourt that made Kareem, Curry, Jordan, Duncan, Jokic and others the greatest off-ball players with the greatest teams...

Again, the leakouts alone account for the higher assisted rate, let alone the aforementioned hyrbid version of your-turn-my-turn (a head-down Lebron when he catches the ball, which is still predictable and not the type of elite halfcourt chemistry, movement off-screens, and shot-making that the great off-ball players and teams have.