Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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also, I raised a theoretical question, after explaining im against the operation.
you both are mentally ill, so i won't hold your lack of understanding of the issue against you
also, I raised a theoretical question, after explaining im against the operation.
you both are mentally ill, so i won't hold your lack of understanding of the issue against you
if you support Israel, and by your own admission you seem to be a fervently patriot Israeli, then bolded is just some mealy mouthed lib ****. this operation is inherent to Israel.
Crazy man, did anyone ever claimed Israel is a perfect state? is there such a thing?
Do I support everything my father ever did?
lol at "fervently patriot Israeli"
you are insane man
its not some little hiccup. a little mistake. its the whole point of your country. to terrorize and dispossess the natives.
and how are you not fervently patriotic? it wasnt even meant to be an insult, I figured you would consider yourself so given all of your statements.
its not some little hiccup. a little mistake. its the whole point of your country. to terrorize and dispossess the natives.
and how are you not fervently patriotic? it wasnt even meant to be an insult, I figured you would consider yourself so given all of your statements.
In the world you imagine in your head, anything is possible, including the one where our entire goal is to abuse "natives."
I am not a blind patriot. The things I have written here, all my criticisms of Israel, all my actions over the years, prove it. Unlike you, I have actually done a thing or two for the benefit of the Palestinians, at least more than writing lies and nonsense in a negligible forum.
In my 20s, I was a globalist in general, I despised the idea of states and nations. After I grew up, I realized that I live in an existing reality, not in an imaginary utopia, and therefore I have no choice but to understand that the idea of nations will continue to exist, long after I am no longer there.
I explain for the thousandth time that I believe in realpolitik, not in slogans like you
You as a Zionist have entered in a strategic partnership in racial realism, but you know the real deal, right? And you further know that all the people protesting the assault on Gaza, that they would protect Jewish people against antisemitism and hatred, right? I suppose we can't have little timeouts where we were honest because that would break the façade, but to me it's a nice thought.
I would say the majority of the post is completely wrong, and shows a poor theory of mind of pretty much everyone. Or is written in bad faith. The last thing I think of when I see this post is honesty.
But addressing one section, I don't think this is true at all. Looking at the makeup and nature of the protests in places like NYC and Toronto, I think a small number of protestors will actually have a problem when the Islamist/Leftist mobs decide they have enough power to take the mask off and go directly after the Jews (and many of them are Jewish themselves) and the vast majority would join in the pogroms or smugly stand on the sidelines and say it was the Jews own fault.
Yeah, sure thing buddy.
we really oppress freedom of speech and opinion here. a real north Korea (oh I forgot you think North Korea is a free country)
right sure. free speech.
tons of testimonies here of people picked up for speech https://www.btselem.org/publications/202...
heres just one of a guy arrested and tortured for a facebook post. an Israeli lawyer even. your own bar association signed off on his abduction and torture.
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In the world you imagine in your head, anything is possible, including the one where our entire goal is to abuse "natives."
I am not a blind patriot. The things I have written here, all my criticisms of Israel, all my actions over the years, prove it. Unlike you, I have actually done a thing or two for the benefit of the Palestinians, at least more than writing lies and nonsense in a negligible forum.
In my 20s, I was a globalist in general, I despised the idea of states and nations.
I never said you were a "blind patriot".
a person who does nothing for the "benefit of the Palestinians" is infinitely better to them than someone who served in the Israeli army and participated in many campaigns. I mean ffs man, you admitted on this very forum that you were part of an assault on a hospital. a hospital!
Sari Huriyyah:
"The time has come for a 'Rada' war (Islamic response attack) against Israel, which is trying to subjugate and control Gaza and wipe out the resistance movement,"
this is only one of his posts, calling for war and violence against us.
Yes, you have proven me wrong once again...
I never said you were a "blind patriot".
a person who does nothing for the "benefit of the Palestinians" is infinitely better to them than someone who served in the Israeli army and participated in many campaigns. I mean ffs man, you admitted on this very forum that you were part of an assault on a hospital. a hospital!
A hospital... a hospital... that was used to operate from. FYP
yes it was used to operate on all of the kids that Israel maimed during their genocide
I never said you were a "blind patriot".
a person who does nothing for the "benefit of the Palestinians" is infinitely better to them than someone who served in the Israeli army and participated in many campaigns. I mean ffs man, you admitted on this very forum that you were part of an assault on a hospital. a hospital!
I would say this is completely wrong. This is all an abstract academic exercise for you. You have completely fetishized the Palestinian and Israeli people. They aren't even actual people to you; just avatars that feed your ideological understanding of the world.
People on both sides that actually live and interact with each other have the capacity to bridge the gap. Ideologues like yourself that live 5,000 miles away and see this is a moral struggle between good and evil and have stripped everyone of their actual humanity are very much the problem.
Sari Huriyyah:
"The time has come for a 'Rada' war (Islamic response attack) against Israel, which is trying to subjugate and control Gaza and wipe out the resistance movement,"
this is only one of his posts, calling for war and violence against us.
Yes, you have proven me wrong once again...
so...he was arrested for speech. and pretty innocuous speech at that.
I would say this is completely wrong. This is all an abstract academic exercise for you. You have completely fetishized the Palestinian and Israeli people. They aren't even actual people to you; just avatars that feed your ideological understanding of the world.
People on both sides that actually live and interact with each other have the capacity to bridge the gap. Ideologues like yourself that live 5,000 miles away and see this is a moral struggle between good and evil and have stripped e
how am I a problem? bc I make posts and the only interaction I have with either side is on this forum or through donations?
theres no "bridging the gap" with Israelis just as there was never any way for Native Americans to bridge the gap with American Colonial Settlers in the 1800s. both projects necessarily require the natives to be dispossessed and the way to do that is through extreme violence and ultimately genocide.
is ok for Israelis to call for "jihad" on the Palestinians in Gaza? in the West Bank? people in Lebanon? or Syria?
regardless, you are taking a predictably reductionist interpretation of his words. obv he is expressing support for the defense of Gaza during your genocidal invasion.
No.
See how simple it is to be morally consistent?
Lunatic, many many many arrests were made over the years against Jews for chanting "death to Arabs" or "may your village burn" or **** like that.
You know nothing about us and keep imagining things in your distorted head.
Obv after October 7th and the anger and frustration we all felt, the enforcement policy has been adapted to the situation
I am debating statements with a man who claims to follow the conflict and has never heard of Palestinians calling for the extermination of Jews. And I continue to argue with him. Maybe I am the crazy one here.
has never heard of Palestinians calling for the extermination of Jews
and you need to resort to lies to keep up. pretty pathetic tbh.
Ive never heard it from any of the Palestinians that I follow.
regardless, who cares if they say that? that doesnt give you the right to genocide them.
Lunatic, many many many arrests were made over the years against Jews for chanting "death to Arabs" or "may your village burn" or **** like that.
You know nothing about us and keep imagining things in your distorted head.
Obv after October 7th and the anger and frustration we all felt, the enforcement policy has been adapted to the situation
like, this is just blatant bullshit but even if it were true, does this "adaption" extend to the Palestinians after they watch their families blown to bits or abducted and tortured? ofc not.
