Donald J. Trump (For everyone else)
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
this is a key point:
Guys like Macron, he's had enough, he's done with Trump (and the US for that matter). And France has its own nukes, so they don't need to kowtow. Plus, with Merz (new german chancellor) coming in, he's def. a hardliner, not some weak sauce like Scholz was, he will have backing from that side too.
If Europe gets its act together (and i'd put the probability at higher than 50% in the moment, bc they know Putin will not stop with Ukraine, he'll come for Poland or other small balt
Frankly it may be better for the world and for Europe if they can capitalize on the stagnation as well. An emergent EU with a strong military would be great, especially if they start integrating their muslim refugees.
He was already president for 4 years with no major wins that will be remembered. If you’re in a position to take advantage of his dismantling of ethics offices and government oversight you can make a lot of money. But I dont think making it easier to fleece on fat government contracts will be remembered as a great accomplishment.
His tax cut was great in his first term, but the best thing he did was fought against dem policies during covid. There is no doubt if we had a dem president (and many repub presidential hopefuls) we would have shut down more of the economy, shut it down for longer, wouldn't have come up with a vax as quick, we would have printed more money and would have thrown more of that freshly printed money into the economy.
I can gut regulation, lower taxes, and fire people easily. The positive economic outcomes from doing those things are what would distinct. Not sure why you think 3 totally unrelated, easily achievable, no effort actions would save the ****in economy as somebody who is supposed to financially literate.
Also "hes using tariffs to avoid tariffs" while ever country he has slapped with tariffs has issued retaliatory tariffs is kinda tone deaf
No you couldn't cut regulation, taxes and the size of gov't easily. Look how hard trump is being fought on all 3 fronts.
All 3 of those things are good for economic growth. And they aren't unrelated.
Because tariffs are being attributed as the cause to other problems too so I wanted to see if we are on the same page. I do agree with trump that manufacturing is likely to come back to the US, but I think it will be a small amount and he likely said it would be bigly.
I am not fan of tariffs. However, they could lead to a small boost in manufacturing. In saying that, I have no idea why our past 3 presidents all seemed to like the idea of bringing manufacturing back.
Any uncertainty is bad for an economy. However, if the choice is either tariffs or a presidential hopeful who suggested gov't price controls starting with groceries the choice is super easy.
I am still hoping these tariffs are a short-term tool used to discourage other countries from placing tarif
The problem with tariffs is they will not be short term pain for the USA or Canada or Mexico. Yes the left says tariffs only hurt the consumer which is not true
Lets look at a few of the main industries
Canada supplies a ton of heavy crude that 4 or 5 refineries in the USA are set up to process. They can not process the oil the USA gets from the ground. To do that would requiring massive changes to those plants that would take years and billions. They buy this oil at a discount which is good as the stuff the USA refines is shipped off shoe at a profit
Looking at cars yes any manufacturer looking at a new plant such as Honda may choose the USA over Canada or Mexico but good luck on moving the current manufacturing to new plants . Of course that will take years and billions
There's literally no way anyone could "fix" our economy that wouldn't require serious pain. I'm fine with the pain. I actually made money on the recent stock pullback. Trump wants to lower interest rates, but we should be raising them...whatever though.
Already turning around: "Core Consumer Price Inflation Slowest In 4 Years As Energy & Airfare Costs Tumble"
We aren't the left, we can't use the fact that lefists are even worse to justify our side mistakes.
How does the bold apply to Mexico, Canada and the EU? were those countries threatening tariff increases or other economic sanctions to the USA in any way or form?
Keep in mind that even if i am on team "all tariffs are bad", the ******ed choices an increasing number of people are criticizing are about the tariffs with those countries, not China. Put China out of the picture momentarily: why the act
I'm not trying to justify trump's tariffs - I have already said they are bad and I disagree with them. However, when people act like we were never going to see negative economic growth after our gov't's overreaction to covid and they think cutting gov't spending, taxes and regulation aren't pro-growth they need to be reminded of some of the harm gov't overreach brings.
His tax cut was great in his first term, but the best thing he did was fought against dem policies during covid. There is no doubt if we had a dem president (and many repub presidential hopefuls) we would have shut down more of the economy, shut it down for longer, wouldn't have come up with a vax as quick, we would have printed more money and would have thrown more of that freshly printed money into the economy.
No you couldn't cut regulation, taxes and the size of gov't easily. Look how hard t
Being unpopular doesn't make it hard. All he did was sign a couple of EOs and told directors to fire a bunch of people
I can't even express what I'm thinking.
https://www.propublica.org/article/recor...
When a participant in the meeting asked him why he wouldn’t more forcefully call out President Donald Trump’s continued false claims about widespread Social Security fraud as “BS,” Dudek answered, “So we published, for the record, what was actually the numbers there on our website. This is dealing with — have you ever worked with someone who’s manic-depressive?”
There are indeed 110-year-old and older people in one of the Social Security databases that the DOGE team has been looking at, Dudek said, but those people are “not in pay status” — they’re not actually being paid benefits. “These are records we never bothered with,” he explained.
The other official said that DOGE’s narrative about dead people receiving benefits “got in front of us” but that “it’s a victory that you’re not seeing more [misinformation], because they are being educated.”
Now, five employees told ProPublica, their tech systems seem to be crashing nearly every day, leading to more delays in serving beneficiaries. This was already a problem, they said, but it has gotten “much worse” and is “not the norm,” two employees said.
Not only did these people vote for this type of incompetence, they are willfully denying the incompetence and think telling people that "the country needs this to grow in the long run" is doing something besides making them look even dumber.
Not only did these people vote for this type of incompetence, they are willfully denying the incompetence and think telling people that "the country needs this to grow in the long run" is doing something besides making them look even dumber.
They don't want social security checks going out. 70 million people receive them and if they are late by a couple weeks and 10 or 20 million 80 year olds can't pay rent and/or buy food and/or medicine...that's what they want.
There's literally no way anyone could "fix" our economy that wouldn't require serious pain. I'm fine with the pain. I actually made money on the recent stock pullback. Trump wants to lower interest rates, but we should be raising them...whatever though.
Already turning around: "Core Consumer Price Inflation Slowest In 4 Years As Energy & Airfare Costs Tumble"
Yeah, no doubt you're "fine with the pain". You're a monster in human flesh. Austerity practices like the ones for which you advocate would directly and quickly lead to mass poverty and misery, which I know gets you really excited, especially when you can grab a few extra crumbs from the tables of the billionaires who own you.
I worked for a state agency that administered retirement benefits for teachers. Admittedly, we generally didn't have the same sense of urgency about a lot of things that I experienced in the private sector.
But we didn't miss payroll. Ever. It was the one thing that had to happen, no matter how many hours you had to put in to make it happen.
I suspect this will not be the case with social security.
bet you were a fan of Elon doing everything possible to refuse to shut down his Tesla plants in early 2020, which undoubtedly got hundreds (at a minimum) of his workers sick
If our government had acted significantly less severely on COVID, tens of thousands (at least) of additional humans would have died. That's not my opinion, it's a simple matter of fact and logic. Why do you enjoy dead Americans?
I also like how pussified the conservatives were with regards to all the "oppression" heaped upon them by our weak ass, pretend "lockdown". The great horrors of having your treats brought out and put in your car's trunk by a worker in a mask instead of going inside a store and sitting down and being waited upon! Absolute babies.
bet you were a fan of Elon doing everything possible to refuse to shut down his Tesla plants in early 2020, which undoubtedly got hundreds (at a minimum) of his workers sick
If our government had acted significantly less severely on COVID, tens of thousands (at least) of additional humans would have died. That's not my opinion, it's a simple matter of fact and logic. Why do you enjoy dead Americans?
I also like how pussified the conservatives were with regards to all the "oppression" heaped upon
That's provenly objectively false just by checking the differential death rates in states that closed more vs those who closed less and controlling for median age and vaccination rates.
If what you say was even vaguely true, California total excess deaths 2020-2023 would have been MASSIVELY lower than florida (after controlling for age and vax), which simply it wasn't at all.
The only intervention that saved lives (a ton of them), was vaccination of the at risk. Everything else actually killed people, in terms of reduced life expectancy. Because social isolation is damaging for your health, and because scarying people not to go to hospitals make them miss check ups and early diagnoses.
If no county had ever implemented ANY restriction at all more americans would be alive today. Same is true for all other countries ofc except those remote islands which managed to get the cases from a few to 0 with lockdowns. That delayed cases until the vaccine arrived. Lockdowns in Italy, germany, france and so on didn't at all
That's provenly objectively false just by checking the differential death rates in states that closed more vs those who closed less and controlling for median age and vaccination rates.
Onus of proof is on the claimant, entirely. I only need a single counterexample to disprof the claim. That's how reality and logic work, outside leftism.
It's you who have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that california counties locking down far far far more than florida saved lives even if they didn't in real terms with real numbers.
And until you do you cannot claim those procedures save lives *anywhere worldwide*.
Not that saving lives matters to justify denying unalienable rights anyway, no amount of lives justifies house arresting millions of innocents.
jfc it was a pandemic. A disease that nobody had ever seen and people were dying. But it's been five years. Move on already.
Onus of proof is on the claimant, entirely. I only need a single counterexample to disprof the claim. That's how reality and logic work, outside leftism.
It's you who have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that california counties locking down far far far more than florida saved lives even if they didn't in real terms with real numbers.
And until you do you cannot claim those procedures save lives *anywhere worldwide*.
Not that saving lives matters to justify denying unalienable rights anyway, no am
I don't necessarily think you're entirely wrong about COVID, but no one was house arrested in California. Outside of my younger kid being home a lot more and traffic being much lighter the lockdowns barely affected my life.
That's provenly objectively false just by checking the differential death rates in states that closed more vs those who closed less and controlling for median age and vaccination rates.
lol
I like it when fascists claim to be kings of logic while simultaneously posting **** like this. No, Benito, you are wrong for many obvious reasons, although I'm way less interested than you in being in this forum for hours at a time and spewing dumbass paragraph after dumbass paragraph while convincing nobody of anything ever, so let me just say, shut the hell up.
If no county had ever implemented ANY restriction at all more americans would be alive today.
Whoa!
Yep, no additional deaths from a few hundred thousand extra idiots masklessly cramming themselves into restaraunts, theaters, and concert venues! Good stuff. A quality assertion.
I remember when some rich creeps convinced some cruise company to set off on their cruise in like March-April 2020, and within a couple weeks, quite literally everybody on the ship contracted COVID. But are we led to believe, that if all the cruise ships were operating normally, that all the passengers on all these other ships would NOT have gotten the COVID they otherwise may not have ever contracted if they stayed at home? (like me, for instance, somebody who has never had COVID)
Social isolation is a bitch, I agree. It's such a bitch that it surely led to some suicides and other social ills. Pretty sure it's still preferable to bodies piling up on the street! As a fan of killing people, though, you may disagree.
I don't necessarily think you're entirely wrong about COVID, but no one was house arrested in California. Outside of my younger kid being home a lot more and traffic being much lighter the lockdowns barely affected my life.
Of course not. Nobody but ol' Benito and his fellow maniacs think California did any kind of hardcore lockdown that was far different from lockdowns anywhere else.
The blue state/red state COVID-curious comparison is faulty for many clear reasons I don't feel like going on about.
Onus of proof is on the claimant, entirely. I only need a single counterexample to disprof the claim. That's how reality and logic work, outside leftism.
Good then go ahead and support your claim that it was proven objectively false by data that has countless confounding factors.
It's you who have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that california counties locking down far far far more than florida saved lives even if they didn't in real terms with real numbers.
No, it's not. I didn't make the claim.
Yakusheva O, van den Broek-Altenburg E, Brekke G, Atherly A. Lives saved and lost in the first six month of the US COVID-19 pandemic: A retrospective cost-benefit analysis. PLoS One. 2022 Jan 21;17(1):e0261759. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0261759. PMID: 35061722; PMCID: PMC8782469.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PM...
Lives saved
Given the evolving stage of knowledge about COVID-19’s IFR and HIT, we included a broad range of IFR and HIT estimates from the literature and calculated a low and high bounds for the number of lives saved by the intervention. For IFR, we attempted to use estimates obtained from data during the first six months of the pandemic when less was known about the disease and few effective treatment approaches existed. A median IFR of 0.23 was reported by the WHO [52] across 51 locations globally; among the 11 US states included in the report, the IFR ranged from 0.08 in Utah and 0.20 in Missouri, to 1.54 in Connecticut and 1.63 in parts of Louisiana. Overall, locations that had higher number of deaths (most of the US) had a median IFR of 0.57. A recent meta-analysis of 24 IFR studies reported the IFR of 0.68 with the 95% confidence interval between 0.53% and 0.82%, subsequently supported in an age-specific meta-analysis of 111 studies from 33 locations. The HIT is thought to be between 60–70% [53–56].
Applying0.53%-0.82% IFR and 0.60–0.70 HIT to the US population of 330 million, the unmitigated mortality (in the absence of any intervention) was 1,049,400–1,894,200 deaths. After subtracting the 183,050 confirmed COVID-19 deaths on August 31 2020 [57], the number of COVID-19 lives saved by the first six months of the policy intervention was 866,350–1,711,150 lives. Measured in cumulative quality-adjusted life expectancy instead of number of lives saved, life expectancy gained was 4,886,214–9,650,886 quality-adjusted life-years.
And until you prove that it was proven objectively false by data with uncountably huge numbers of confounding factors, you cannot claim it was proven objectively false.
However, there is EVIDENCE that it saved between 800k and 1.7 million lives. That claim can certainly be made as I have provided that evidence.
it's Wednesday!
"Guys, hear me out. We need...checks notes....NEGATIVE GROWTH...to save the country from...checks notes again....THE MESS I'VE PURPOSELY MADE!"
else.....pivot to something-something "TRANS PEOPLE WANT TO PEE WITH YOUR DAUGHTER!!!!!"
Gorgo again with "you cannot prove it's false" when he should be the one to prove it's true (beyond the tiniest shade of doubt, given the magnitude of the rights violation).
Of course not. Nobody but ol' Benito and his fellow maniacs think California did any kind of hardcore lockdown that was far different from lockdowns anywhere else.
The blue state/red state COVID-curious comparison is faulty for many clear reasons I don't feel like going on about.
Jfc now we are denying Florida reopened basically everything in full in September 2020 through RDS executive order while various areas in California kept limitations in place till late 2022.
How much can you guys lie?
jfc it was a pandemic. A disease that nobody had ever seen and people were dying. But it's been five years. Move on already.
There can be a new one and the horrors beyond belief that your people committed in your name should never happen again at any cost.
I won't "move on" until we can secure the impossibility of that ever happening again at any cost
