"The Pen:" Live NLHE Chat Thread

If you're not rooting for Drake (feel wrath excepted) Thursday, you're a bad person.

What’s happening on Thursday?

Can you guys help pound this concept in my head?

I read some books and hear on CLP, goone etc crusher ar the 2/5 5/10 and 1/3 stakes say that you can easily narrow ranges down becuase usually fish or even regs will bet or even raise good hands on flop. Play them fast usually, and I just don’t seem to be able to handle that.

For example we have 55 on ten 6 2 ten on turn

Becuase villain checked to us on flop and we bet 35 and then villain raises to 150.

Suppsoedly villain cannot have full house becuase they would have bet any trips, set etc on flop.

But I just can’t seem to see that. I thought most villains would slow play even if they had AT on flop etc

i think population tendencies are a poor way to go about it - especially since even the really bad fish will adjust to villains, whenever i'm table captaining a very tight and passive table, i soon find myself getting checkraised constantly because in spots where they would normally lead out with their strength, they now pause knowing i'll cbet and then can x/r

also...

you need to narrow down further on specific demographics

how would a black man who talks combatively to the table play vs how would an older white man who asks when the high hand promo finishes will play very differently but equally predictable with strong reliability on their specific tendencies

I cannot even imagine a circumstance under which I would root for Drake.

Don't think there even are any English Pubs in Boston, but NYC prob has some. They also have a bunch of "gastropubs." that are a combo of pub and hipster restaurant that can be cool or annoying, depending on the menu, clientele, and one's mood.

Yes, IME fish slowplay a lot especially if it's a multiway pot.

to expand upon this, even when i'm literally bulldozing the table of terrible amateurs

they never think "wow this guy is way better than me at poker" if they ever had these thoughts they wouldn't be playing

they are all convinced they are good players, the way they play is good and that i'm a maniac fish and just need to adjust to x/r me and will get all my stack

ie in blackjack when someone says "i always hit 12 no matter what card the dealer has" or "i never hit 16" or "i don't double down vs a face card" despite all the evidence out there in the world says otherwise and that they are punting stacks by making those deviations, they somehow some way convinced themselves that they are right and the rest of the world is wrong and they are doing it better than everyone else BECAUSE THEY ARE UNIQUE AND SPECIAL - you see this all the time and it's perhaps why poker is so popular and has so many absolutely terrible players who just conveniently don't track results so they don't need to face any hard truths

1/3, 2/5, 5/10.

You can’t just lump all those stakes together and expect the same adjustments to work across the board. Each stake has its own dynamics based on player pool tendencies, stack depths, rake structures, and overall skill levels.

Trying to apply a generic “low-stakes adjustment” across these games is a mistake. What works in a loose-passive 1/3 pool won’t fly in a tougher 5/10 lineup where players punish predictability. Also, you need to adjust based on the specific pool, not just the stake itself.

First day of first round NCAA games.

Then you're a bad person, I guess. Would not have guessed.

ah ok.

I would have been with Garick and assumed you were talking about the musician. And not only am I not with Drake the musician, but I actively dislike his music and think he seems to be a total tool. (and I really like rap, there's just something about his shitty ghey r&b version that gives me the shits)

I'd say that at any stake assuming that the gen pop will bet a set or 2 pair on a dry ass board like T62 is pretty flawed thinking.

But RTP is totally right. 5/10 anywhere is gonna be different to 1/2 anywhere and trying to draw generalisations between those two is crazy stuff.

But then each ecosystem/culture:country plays differently and the most
Important thing is to know how to adjust

the few times i jumped higher than 1/3 i found it world's different, the average player was competent whereas they are few and fare between at 1/3 and 1/2

the spots are much bigger at higher levels though

back in the day in macau, there was no noticeable difference in skill in the regs from the 25/50 game vs the 100/200 ones - but the recs were way worse at the higher stakes, just really hard to have enough money to survive a downswing at higher stakes hence the more even distribution of pros since the main limit was not skill but bankroll/backing

I don't have much of an idea how to beat live games where everyone is snug and competent.

change tables

That’s when it’s time to go play PLO.

^This.

Never heard of Drake University before, and I used to live pretty close to Des Moines.

What about live games where everyone is smug? I’d invite you to Boulder CO

Ah, now I see.

I don't know the musicians, but will trust you guys' judgment as to his toolishness.

always knew Garick was a Kendrick guy.

I'm with you golddog. Back when I played college beeball we got a transfer who told us horror stories about the program at Drake. Apparently the coach was a sadist who would run the players ragged for three hour practices, take them into the film room to watch said practice in full, get pissed at something he saw, and then take them back onto the court to run suicides until they puked or passed out. Their star player had perfected the art of spraining his ankle just badly enough that he could miss practices, but not games.

All that said, this was eons ago and I have little double that Drake is a bastion of virtue and integrity. Plus, how could I root against a team whose mascot is a bulldog?

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Thanks for the thogught s rickroll , rip , rikrstj and all.

So goone who has played live says he checks his range ooo most of time becuase amateurs at his stakes (he plays 5/5 or 5/10) will call with their weak **** and raise with their strong **** on flop. I assume that’s just the general population in general and we talk on amateurs. Surely OMC, etc type characters we ply diff,

But I alway thoguht most people play fast not passive flop. Even Charlie carrell when he talks about 25NL online (which is harder than 1/3 you all agree) says the same where they will also ways call on flop with weak stuff and bet bigger on flop if strong hand.

I just wanted to see if you guys saw those tendencies. If amateurs are making big mistakes at 5/5 5/10 you have to assume they are making same at 1/3

imo amateurs at 1/3 are people who genuinely think they are good and can beat the game whereas amateurs at higher stakes just have a degen itch to scratch as it's enough money to be aware they are losing but they care more about the winning sessions than all the losers combined so idk it's fair to compare the two