Climate Change - increasingly horrible disasters loom
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there is so much out there about this - I don't really need to provide a lot of sources - a quick google search will find you thousands of links
of course there are the climate change deniers
and there are those who say what little we can do won't be nearly enough
just one link:
from the article:
"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. "
couldn't resist one more link - story about Siberia, one of the coldest places on earth where there is human habitation - they now face 100 degree days and multiple wildfires caused by them
https://eos.org/articles/siberian-heat-w....
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Nice to see they will be cutting down the Amazon Rainforests to pave a highway so folks can attend COPs
50,000 acres
So that is were 100's of private jets will fly to tell us to use less fossil fuels
Yes Climate Change is real
Nice to see they will be cutting down the Amazon Rainforests to pave a highway so folks can attend COPs
50,000 acres
So that is were 100's of private jets will fly to tell us to use less fossil fuels
Yes Climate Change is real
if bolsonaro had done this it would be discussed 24/7 for a week.
Lula does it, crickets.
Nice to see they will be cutting down the Amazon Rainforests to pave a highway so folks can attend COPs
50,000 acres
So that is were 100's of private jets will fly to tell us to use less fossil fuels
Yes Climate Change is real
Where in the article does it say 50,000 acres? It says they cleared 8 miles of forest which even if it were square miles it would be 5000 acres.
If the point is that private jets should be banned, I agree. It would reduce a lot of emissions while affecting an absolutely minimal amount of people.
Where in the article does it say 50,000 acres? It says they cleared 8 miles of forest which even if it were square miles it would be 5000 acres.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiato...
here they say " tens of thousands of acres".
it could be an 8mile x 8 mile areas that would be 40k acres
Roads aren't usually square. Giving a generous width of 50 yards, that's 144 acres.
For perspective, the amazon rainforest is about 1.4 billion acres, with 1-2 million acres lost per year to deforestation
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiato...
here they say " tens of thousands of acres".
it could be an 8mile x 8 mile areas that would be 40k acres
This seems to be a clear case of incorrect info. They contradict themselves in their own first paragraph.
Tens of thousands of acres of Amazon rainforest are being cleared out to build a new four-lane highway for the COP30 climate summit in Brazil's Belem, the BBC reported. Dubbed as the Avenida Liberdade or 'Avenue of Liberty', the eight-mile stretch, aimed at easing traffic to the host city for the November conference, has infuriated conservationalists and locals.
Most people don’t express 64 square miles as “an 8 mile stretch of road”.
This seems to be a clear case of incorrect info. They contradict themselves in their own first paragraph.
Most people don’t express 64 square miles as “an 8 mile stretch of road”.
I understand the idea that if it's just a road it won't cover too much surface but I guess we won't know until more reputable/precise sources are available, because maybe in order to build a road you need a ton of often space nearby for equipment and whatnot (not sure, just a guess).
Anyway my original claim o think stands: if bolsonaro was doing it we would be hearing more about it, and leftists won't be so picky in estimating the area affected.
After all last time there was a problem in the Amazon under bolsonaro, Macron tweeted a photo of fires from decades earlier claiming that was bolsonaro doing
I understand the idea that if it's just a road it won't cover too much surface but I guess we won't know until more reputable/precise sources are available, because maybe in order to build a road you need a ton of often space nearby for equipment and whatnot (not sure, just a guess).
Idk if this a city ignorance thing, but if you have ever seen a road before, they are basically just roads
Nice to see they will be cutting down the Amazon Rainforests to pave a highway so folks can attend COPs
50,000 acres
So that is were 100's of private jets will fly to tell us to use less fossil fuels
Yes Climate Change is real
Deforestation of the Amazon under Lula's first year was down 1.1 million acres.
Amazon On Fire: 2024 Sees Highest Number of Fires in 20 Years
In a troubling trend, the Amazon registered a 43.2% increase in fire hotspots during the same seven month period (January - July) from 2023 to 2024. According to Brazil's National Institute for Space Research (INPE). The Amazon registered 20,221 fire hotspots through July 2024, the highest number for this period since 2005.
https://rainforestfoundation.org/amazon-...
As for deforestation with burning, lol
According to INPE, deforestation rates in the Brazilian Amazon decreased by 50% in 2023 compared to 2022. Though lower deforestation rates typically mean fewer fires, the areas burned increased by 36%, with approximately 26.6 million acres destroyed by fires in 2023 compared to 19.5 million acres in 2022.
Again, crickets from mainstream media, and objectively false narratives here and there (like that which you fell prey of, if you believe that in 2023 deforestation decreased).
It's a very clear systematic media conspiracy
Amazon On Fire: 2024 Sees Highest Number of Fires in 20 Years
In a troubling trend, the Amazon registered a 43.2% increase in fire hotspots during the same seven month period (January - July) from 2023 to 2024. According to Brazil's National Institute for Space Research (INPE). The Amazon registered 20,221 fire hotspots through July 2024, the highest number for this period since 2005.
https://rainforestfoundation.org/amazon-...
As for deforestation
Are you suggesting Lula did forest fires?
Anyway,
says it includes wildfires, so you're probably wrong about that.
People there do, and the state has a degree of control about how much to allow that yes.
If a president wanted to bring to very low amount those burnings, which are done because land is ultrafertile for a while after the burning down, he could send the army there and so on, and sometimes they do occasionally.
When bolsonaro was president he was criticized 24/7 about not doing enough for that, purportedly being in bed with the farmers that did that and so on.
Now it's happening with growing rates under Lula, crickets.
But it's like this every time with the developing world. Miles sneezes, they cover it as a brutal rightwing attack on democracy. Leftists do anything bad, they don't cover it. Has been going on for a long while like this, everyone knows that.
Idk if this a city ignorance thing, but if you have ever seen a road before, they are basically just roads
Luciom never admits he is wrong, even when his response is as stupid as an 8 mile stretch of road requires 64 square miles to build. I guess the 1500 mile stretch of wall at the southern border with a road on each side will actually require 2,250,000 miles of land…
Luciom never admits he is wrong, even when his response is as stupid as an 8 mile stretch of road requires 64 square miles to build. I guess the 1500 mile stretch of wall at the southern border with a road on each side will actually require 2,250,000 miles of land…
I posted a (neutral, usually decent) source saying tens of thousands of acres.
You guys wrote opinions about it being just a road.
Liar. It was a road because it was for access to the summit meeting and as usual you were full of ****.
The link posted even featured this
I posted a (neutral, usually decent) source saying tens of thousands of acres.
You guys wrote opinions about it being just a road.
Actually, the first mistake was believing Lozen’s post was accurate: the article states the summit will have 50,000 attendees, not that 50,000 acres are needed to build the road.
Actually, the first mistake was believing Lozen’s post was accurate: the article states the summit will have 50,000 attendees, not that 50,000 acres are needed to build the road.
To be fair he posted another source which was just a repost of the original article which did misattribute the 50k figure to acres rather than attendees, most likely because it was a licensed article. But it also says the 50k was for an 8 mile stretch of road which doesn’t make any sense.
Actually, the first mistake was believing Lozen’s post was accurate: the article states the summit will have 50,000 attendees, not that 50,000 acres are needed to build the road.
I didn't believe anything about lozen post which is why I searched for another source, preferably a non western one (they are usually far better on this kind of topics, mainstream first world coverage of developing countries is beyond obscene) and I found a centrist indian one.
it might be wrong as well, but you guys didn't post any source claiming a different acreage.
I didn't believe anything about lozen post which is why I searched for another source, preferably a non western one (they are usually far better on this kind of topics, mainstream first world coverage of developing countries is beyond obscene) and I found a centrist indian one.
it might be wrong as well, but you guys didn't post any source claiming a different acreage.
Well the original BBC article claims it is “cutting through” tens of thousands of acres, not that it is cutting down tens of thousands of acres. It is a four lane highway stretching 8 miles, so I’m not sure at all how this could add up to the figure for 50k+.
It doesn’t take a genius to understand how the telephone game of reposting stories from other articles can lead to misrepresentations.
If you click on the link there is also drone footage that shows roughly how wide the clearing is. Looks to be 100-120 ft across. Let’s be generous and says 300ft. So about .06 miles across. 8 miles times .06 miles gives a square mileage of about .5 sq miles or roughly 320 acres of forest cleared.
In any case even if I’m off by a little it’s going to take orders of magnitudes of increases in the figure to get to 50000 acres. And from the footage it’s clear that your original guess of an 8x8 mile clearing is completely off. So either the boy that is standing in the middle of the clearing is some gigantic freak that is messing with the perspective, or it’s just a bs claim.
By the way, environmental stories are usually really poorly reported tbh, which is something you have said in the past. Clearing 300 or so acres of land in order to build tons of infrastructure and benefits to that city is clearly worth it. Environmentalism isn’t just mindless preservationism.
I heard lighting lithium batteries on fire is great for the climate.
I heard mining and refining lithium is great for the climate
