Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa
You're cheering it on when hard working people who are supporting your life in the USA and are just trying to help their families get sent to a giant horrible prison in El Salvador. It's more than just a difference of opinion you monster.
You're cheering it on when hard working people who are supporting your life in the USA and are just trying to help their families get sent to a giant horrible prison in El Salvador. It's more than just a difference of opinion you monster.
I realize that on your side there is a lot of emotion and hate as well. I wonder how many more stress related health issues liberals have compared to Conservatives? That would be interesting to look into.
So the studies are wrong which indicate traits like conscientiousness and disgust response are more closely correlated to conservative politics than the traits you listed?
They first I've heard of these studies is in this post, so how the **** would I know if they're right or wrong? You asked me for an opinion, I gave it to you. If you're trying to make some sort of case that my opinion is wrong, then make your case and provide a link to the relevant studies as supporting evidence.
They first I've heard of these studies is in this post, so how the **** would I know if they're right or wrong? You asked me for an opinion, I gave it to you. If you're trying to make some sort of case that my opinion is wrong, then make your case and provide a link to these studies as supporting evidence.
Wow.
Rococo you too? Are you not aware of these studies either?
I realize that on your side there is a lot of emotion and hate as well. I wonder how many more stress related health issues liberals have compared to Conservatives? That would be interesting to look into.
Maybe caring about other people is stressful. Is that supposed to be you winning?
It is enraging that simpering cowards want to round up and deport hard working people who were brave enough to literally walk to the USA from Venezuela.
They first I've heard of these studies is in this post, so how the **** would I know if they're right or wrong? You asked me for an opinion, I gave it to you. If you're trying to make some sort of case that my opinion is wrong, then make your case and provide a link to the relevant studies as supporting evidence.
Lets fix this right here. THE is spelled T.H.E not T.H.E.Y.
"They first I've heard of these studies". What does that even mean?
Maybe caring about other people is stressful. Is that supposed to be you winning?
It is enraging that simpering cowards want to round up and deport hard working people who were brave enough to literally walk to the USA from Venezuela.
I think what you mean is virtue signaling is stressful.
If you are here illegally you got to go. We are a nation of laws. We have plenty of folks who are trying to become US citizens the right way. The legal way. Do you feel it's right that illegals are being given preferential treatment over law abiding folks?
The good news is at least these people got in their steps.
Lets fix this right here. THE is spelled T.H.E not T.H.E.Y.
"They first I've heard of these studies". What does that even mean?
Well done, my little mong, you found a typo! I'm sure you special needs tutor will be very proud and give you a gold star.
Pretty ironic that the most illiterate moron here is going after typos now. Getting pretty desperate, huh?
Asking if it is a conflict of interest for a person openly bigoted towards men to be in position of power over a thread consisting of just men seems to be a reasonable question.
It is an endlessly fascinating experience watching men react to experiences women deal with every day.
Anyway, flip it and reverse it and go write an abortion law or something if you’re upset
Fatke, M. (2017). Personality traits and political ideology: A first global assessment. Political Psychology, 38(5), 881-899.
- This global study (N=69,835 across 40 countries) examines the Big Five traits and cognitive ability (measured via proxies like educational attainment and verbal intelligence). Openness to experience (β = -0.22 for conservatism) and conscientiousness (β = 0.15 for conservatism) were stronger predictors of political ideology than cognitive ability, which showed weak and inconsistent effects (β ≈ 0.05). Intelligence’s impact was largely mediated by education, while personality had direct effects. Available at: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/...
2. DeYoung, C. G., Quilty, L. C., & Peterson, J. B. (2007). Between facets and domains: 10 aspects of the Big Five. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 93(5), 880-896.
- While primarily focused on refining Big Five facets, this study includes political ideology data and compares personality to cognitive measures (IQ proxies). Openness (especially its "ideas" facet) strongly predicted liberalism (r = -0.30 for conservatism), and conscientiousness (orderliness facet) predicted conservatism (r = 0.25). IQ correlations with ideology were weaker (r < 0.10) and often non-significant when controlling for personality. Available at: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2007-1644...
3. Onraet, E., Van Hiel, A., Dhont, K., & Pattyn, S. (2013). Internal and external threat in relationship with right-wing attitudes. Journal of Personality, 81(3), 233-248.
- This study investigates personality, intelligence (measured via Raven’s Matrices), and political attitudes (N=1,200). Openness negatively predicted right-wing attitudes (β = -0.28), and conscientiousness positively predicted them (β = 0.18). Intelligence had a negligible direct effect on ideology (β < 0.08), with its influence mostly indirect through education or threat perception. Personality traits were consistently stronger predictors. Available at: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/...
4. Stankov, L. (2009). Conservatism and cognitive ability. Intelligence, 37(3), 294-304.
- This study explicitly tests cognitive ability (IQ and related metrics) against personality traits in predicting conservative ideology (N=1,500). Openness to experience was a strong negative predictor of conservatism (r = -0.35), and conscientiousness a positive predictor (r = 0.20). Cognitive ability showed a weak negative correlation with conservatism (r = -0.12), but its effect size was significantly smaller than personality traits, and it diminished when controlling for openness. Available at: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...
5. Xu, X., & Peterson, J. B. (2017). Differences in media preference mediate the link between personality and political orientation. Political Psychology, 38(1), 55-72.
- This study explores how personality and cognitive ability influence political orientation through media consumption (N=600). Openness strongly predicted liberal orientation (β = -0.32 for conservatism), and conscientiousness predicted conservatism (β = 0.22). Cognitive ability (measured via verbal IQ) had a weak effect (β = -0.09 for conservatism), and its influence was largely explained by openness. The study concludes personality traits are more proximate predictors than intelligence. Available at: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/...
Key Points:
- These studies consistently show that openness and conscientiousness have stronger correlations with political ideology (liberalism vs. conservatism) than intelligence metrics like IQ or cognitive ability. Effect sizes for personality traits typically range from 0.15-0.35, while intelligence effects are often below 0.10 and less consistent.
- Intelligence’s influence is often indirect (e.g., via education or openness) and weaker when personality is controlled for, suggesting personality traits are more fundamental drivers.
- The studies use various intelligence measures (e.g., Raven’s Matrices, verbal IQ, educational proxies) to ensure robustness, and personality effects hold across contexts.
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Rocco try to have a shred of self awareness
On a scale of 1 to this, how ignorant is it?Disclaimer- I have not read or vetted other tweets from this account. This is not an endorsement of their entire twitter history or any future tweets. Sorry for your time but people are incredibly stupid, conspiratorial, and delusional
You don't have to include a disclaimer. Everyone knows that you simply don't care who your sources are and that you can't be arsed to figure out whether they are white nationalists, Nazis, UFO cultists, flat earthers, or whatever.
1. A leftist mod deleted a post with totally non controversial content because it was tweeted by jack posobiec who had white house press credentials. I asked the mod why jack wasn't allowed to be shared and they said because because they're bad while citing nothing via pm
2. I shared a popular video circulating of a street preacher being arrested at the park. I got banned because someone searched the tweeters history and determined they were a racist.
3. I showed the mod how the tweet ended up via "like" in my timeline from an account called antifwatch. I posted those reciepts a few days ago and you saw them
4. Nobody showed or told me how the tweeter account was racist.
5. I went and looked at a dozen tweets in the timeline and didn't see anything but like a brexit type article being shared and ummmm stuff like a street preacher being arrested. I don't know and nobody has demonstrated if the tweeter was jack posobiec levels of satanic or hitler himself.
6. I didn't deny any accusation of the tweeter because I had no knowledge of them. I showed receipts of all of this a few days ago.
7. Those are literally the only 2 documented cases where I'm guilty of sharing the tweets of "really bad people" or something while in both cases the content wasn't even controversial
8. Any normal person might take a look at the mod then proclaiming I'm trying to sneak in these tweeters to 2p2 so that people can follow me down some dark rabbit hole is nothing more than a mentally challenged conspiracy theory highlighting just how warped peoples reality can get
Reread your own words here
You don't have to include a disclaimer. Everyone knows that you simply don't care who your sources are and that you can't be arsed to figure out whether they are white nationalists, Nazis, UFO cultists, flat earthers, or whatever.
How or where did ufo cultists, flat earthers, "or whatever" enter this? Never mind the total absense of "white nationalists" and "nazis"?
I guess that I can understand why you are caping for mongidig. As long as he is around, there is someone here worse than you.
Also, this has very little do with mongidig's politics (or yours). There are conservatives here that I never ridicule, even though I disagree with them about a great many things.
I'm stepping in to point out your shameless disdain for those outside the tribe clouding your ability think straight. Here you are, once again, stepping in to just pile on and insult someone outside the tribe. I wasn't talking to you. Was mongi even? You just have to show up with these dumb takes and pile on. "OMG conservatives see people on the subway being burned alive and they;re scared because they can't do math". Dear lord stop embarrassing yourself. You just can't help yourself.
It's weird because you also come across as someone that thinks they should be taken seriously. Also it's just my opinion but i think its something you should at least try to tone down if you are going to be moderating
This is a crude attempt to make it sound like we just prefer different flavors of ice cream.
"Bad" isn't exactly the word I would use.
Everyone ridicules you for mostly the same reasons. You don't make logical arguments in favor of your beliefs. You don't care whether facts are true or false. Your assumptions often seem to be informed by what I will charitably describe as bias. You almost never are clever or funny, even though you are convinced that you are both. You seem to mostly lack empathy. You are a sucker for misinformation.
Do you or do you not realize that biology / personality is a much bigger factor in political affiliation than any intelligence metric?
Same question for D2.
I do indeed. That's why I don't characterize conservatives as a group as dumb. That's why I've said that several of the smartest people I know voted for Trump. My comment in this regard was specific to mongidig.
We are going to Iceland this summer. We will be renting a transit van with a bed in the back and driving the Ring road. It is safe there to just pull off on the side of the road and sleep. Can you safely do that in San Diego or anywhere in the US? Maybe in Wyoming or Montana. I suppose there are other red states that are safe. I was gonna include the Scandinavian countries but
Lmfao
My guy, I’m gonna hold your hand when I tell you this. Not only is it safe, a solo white female can even spend her entire 20s doing it without incident
Would everyone agree here that on the openness scale, I would be on the extreme end? This indicates left leaning political bias.
The reason why I’m harder on “progressivism” isn’t because I’m naturally inclined toward conservatism. It’s because I’m much more concerned with the politics on the left currently.
People like me, who are extremely open, should be a canary in the coal mine for progressivism, especially after the last election in the US.
So the studies are wrong which indicate traits like conscientiousness and disgust response are much more closely correlated to conservative politics than the traits you listed?
Are you even a little surprised that the people who rabidly discuss politic on the internet while repeatedly demonstrating the social skills of a toaster don't understand that peoples beliefs and politics are far more downstream from their psychological profile than their "intelligence", "logic", and "morals"
People with extreme personalities have extreme politics. People who don't have extreme personalities have a much better chance of using "reason" or "logic" to reach their conclusions.
The same people who buy in to gender ideology have just no ability to interpret the world around them. It's like the time they forced me to learn the recorder in music class. I was hopeless. So the people with the social skills of a toaster buy in to this stuff. Then once the hook is in there's no argument that can get them to understand that (for example) giving minors hormones that sterilize them is morally repugnant. You can even show them that this is systematically being done behind the parents back and without their consent through the school system and medical system. Then you could show them the leading expert and head of the field in Finland joining other european countries in reversing policy regarding minors. Then you could show them the rates at which youth de-transition. And guess what? You'll get absolutely nowhere
Then you get people like D2 who is absolutely flabbergasted at the statement that the left is more feminine. Its a general statement and its generally true. Everyone knows this, including the people making ads for kamala's campaign trying to target men. We could just do the most simple observation like look at the "if only ___ voted maps" and see its all blue if only women voted. We could look at extensive personality research that clearly demonstrates the point. But the reason we have to do this is because people with the social skills of a toaster can't actually grasp what's happening around them.
How or where did ufo cultists, flat earthers, "or whatever" enter this? Never mind the total absense of "white nationalists" and "nazis"?
It was obvious from context that my references to UFO cultists and flat earthers were deliberate absurdity in service of a general point. And the general point stands, as illustrated by your disclaimer.
I'm stepping in to point out your shameless disdain for those outside the tribe clouding your ability think straight. Here you are, once again, stepping in to just pile on and insult someone outside the tribe. I wasn't talking to you. Was mongi even? You just have to show up with these dumb takes and pile on. "OMG conservatives see people on the subway being burned alive and they;re scared because they can't do math". Dear lord stop embarrassing yourself. You just can't help yourself.
I don't have a real political tribe, especially here. My core political perspective has been relatively stable (at least from my perspective) over the 20+ years that I have posted on 2+2. During that time, I have been variously called conservative, liberal, progressive, communist, racist, centrist, a third-way Democrat, etc. I haven't been called a fascist yet, but I'm sure the time will come.
It's weird because you also come across as someone that thinks they should be taken seriously.
People can take my opinions however they want. I don't think that I should be taken any sort of way, and I don't really care. Also, I am not delusional. I am well aware that I am politically inconsequential in the grand scheme.
Also it's just my opinion but i think its something you should at least try to tone down if you are going to be moderating
I have great news for you. It has been nearly a year since I quit moderating this forum.
It was obvious from context that my references to UFO cultists and flat earthers were deliberate absurdity in service of a general point. And the general point stands, as illustrated by your disclaimer.I don't have a real political tribe, especially here. My core political perspective has been relatively stable (at least from my perspective) over the 20+ years that I have pos
Oh I thought you moderated this forum. Thanks for clarifying, fascist
I do indeed. That's why I don't characterize conservatives as a group as dumb. That's why I've said that several of the smartest people I know voted for Trump. My comment in this regard was specific to mongidig.
I am judging US conservatives (and specifically MAGA chodes) as a group pretty much by what I see in this forum, and in a couple of other places online.
Then you get people like D2 who is absolutely flabbergasted at the statement that the left is more feminine.
I'm not flabbergasted, I just think it's hilarious that a group of people who repeatedly demonstrate themselves to be the biggest cowards and pussies in the world have the temerity to deem themselves "more masculine" than pretty much any other group, probably because they think that taking steroids, permanently reeking of sweat and being dumb as a plank makes them attractive to women or something.
