Israel/Palestine thread

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extremism at a childrens museum now

When I lived in West LA I used to take the kid to a "kids Jewish museum" on Wilshire. It was open to the public and you didn't have to be a member of whatever organization hosted it, which I dont even know.

It was a giant office building (20+ stories) with a little kids playground/museum in the basement, where a whole bunch of Jewish stuff that had nothing to do with the "museum" went on in the rest of the building, including I am sure a lot of fundraisers. Calling the building a museum is probably for tax reasons as much as anything.

Given his political positions I actually agree that Gvir coming to the US for any reason should get a lot of bad publicity. But I am guessing calling it "extremism at a children's museum" is not really an accurate way to portray what was going on. And looking at a picture of this "museum" it looks like a pretty similar setup to the one in LA we used to go to.

How long do you think it would take me to google search and find something similar to this, if not this exact scenario?

it would not change that I dont support religious Supremacist supremacists, be they Al Qaeda or ISIS or Zionist visiting children's learning centers.

remember this next time Blue or anyone else comes in this thread and claims the Israel investigated and disciplined anyone. although, I kinda doubt those guys come back to the thread as their lies have now been fully exposed.

Why would they get in trouble? It's not like they went rogue or anything. If they had the radio communications it probably went something like "vehicles with flashing lights coming your way. Light'em up"

right. exactly. when the anally rape prisoners to death, when they assassinate Western aid workers, when they bomb hospitals. when they do genocide. all of that (and more) is sanctioned by the Israeli state and is the true essence of Zionism. really, its the essence of Western civilization.

Which is consistent with the fact that these Israeli leadership are not Semitic people. They are white Europeans following the most shameful of Western European traditions, that of fascist colonialism.

Anyone who emigrates anywhere is a migrant. Anyone who emigrates to Israel is a fascist coloniser...

There's emigrating and then there's emigrating and taking the place over by force. There's another name for that.

What would you say if I kicked you out of your house, started living in it, and my response to any objection was "Hey I'm just living in a house. What is it about me that I'm can't live in a house without people being so against me?"

I can't even label your comment trolling because it's beyond trolling.

Looks like the thread is still being overrun by lunatics.

I get all of that. But a lot of this kind of stuff happened in the 19th- early 20th century; and I dont see any compelling reason to litigate and undo this one act, and let everything else go. It happened, and at this point it really is time to move on.

I mean no one is talking about how all the descendants of Indians that were displaced during the partition with Pakistan need to be let back. And no one is talking about how all the descendants of MENA Jews that were displaced from their historical homes as collective punishment for Israel need to be let back.

You could make a giant list of similar displacements that happened during this time period (and later), and there is no reason to treat this one instance as a special case and litigate it forever.

I mean, we all know what happened. The Arabs decided to make this a big issue, and because they wanted access to fossil fuels Western actors accommodated them, and set up a status quo that would guarantee indefinite conflict with no resolution. And here we are.

But at some point it is time to turn the page and move on.

It's not litigating it, just people should be honest if they're going to bring it up.

That is a 2 way street though. Most of the discourse from the other side treating this as some beyond the pale immoral historical anomaly (greatly exaggerating what actually happened) that needs to be undone is nonsensical.

The Palestinian displacement isn't even particularly remarkable in context of 20th-21st century Arab history, much less world history, in this time period or any other. The only remarkable thing about this incident is how the world has treated the issue, with all the over the top rhetoric (much of it in complete bad faith), guaranteeing a never ending conflict.

lol wut

It's not unique but it's rare'ish a foreign conquerer/colonizer/whatever you want to call them from the early 20th century continues to control the land to this day and I wouldn't blame the displaced people if they wanted to continue to resist. Like I'd be all for Tibet regaining its independence. The Palestinians it's not really in their long term interest as they're so outmatched but they have the right.

If you go back far enough everyone was a foreign conqueror until they became native. At some point the world has to accept Israeli Jews are the natives now. The Arabs have been fighting for 80 years to stop this from happening, but have failed. Israel is a thriving nation; most of its neighbors that have refused to accept this are failed states.

The Palestinians are geopolitical pawns responding to the incentive system provided them. The world has provided them very bad incentives and options, and the outcome has been predictably poor. A good chunk of the world population are not living anywhere near where their near ancestors did 80-100 years ago. Most of these people would be in very bad shape if they were encouraged to "Resist" and take back whatever land their great grandparents lived on 80 years ago, and weren't really given any better options.

You are saying because some behaviors took place in the past they should be allowed to happen now. That's a terrible argument. We've had slavery in the past. Is that an excuse to allow it now? In our biological history many rapes have happened. Does that mean we should change the law to allow rape?

This is really one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard in favor of Israel's fascist colonialist project, the only bright side being that at least it acknowledges what Israel is doing instead of trying to deny it or giving a religious justification. But still you have to be dumb as a pile of bricks to go around thinking thoughts like that.

Yeah states tend to fail when you take a hammer and smash them.

Israel is a nation of people who laugh and celebrate at the death and dismemberment of children. You think the removal and further oppression of Palestinians is going to make that magically go away? Even the Nazis, while mass slaughtering Jews and others they deemed undesirable at an industrial scale, never had such grotesque and inhuman celebrations. They thought of killing Jews as a dirty business but had to be done as if you were getting rid of rodents. But the only explanation for the Israelis celebrating the way they are, at the deaths of innocent and beautiful children, is precisely because they recognize their humanity. It is as if the death of a Palestinian is a prize.

You think racist fascist inhumanity is just a phase and then you go on being normal? No way, not any more than if Charles Manson had not been caught and continued to act under his own recognizance. Israel is the Charles Manson of countries and it is going to keep seeking death and sowing conflict until it is destroyed just like the Nazis.

lol. its not enough to genocide people, you guys gotta go and genocide language too.

lol lmao

We arent talking about now. We are talking about the past. The Nakba is as close to today as it is to the American Civil War going the other direction. Almost no one alive today was alive in 1948 or 1967. In 20 years this number will be essentially 0.

If you want to be outraged about "violent colonizing" going on now, you should be outraged at what is going on in Ukraine, Aizerbaijan and the Sahel. But you aren't because this is all bad faith on your part anyways.

Most of this post is just nonsense dehumanization. I think this is why the far left student protests in the US that have gone on the last 2 years have been such a spectacular failure, despite most administrations actually being sympathetic to the right to protest and the well-being of the Palestinian people. The rhetoric and demands of the protestors are so nonsensical and divorced from reality, there is no way to actually "meet them halfway." Like this post. I can literally go line for line and show why each claim is nonsense. But that is way too much work, and it wouldn't matter anyways, so I will just say it is all nonsense and move on.

theres no colonization in Ukraine at the moment. Azerbaijan is a good comparison though and it would be insane to support the ethnic cleansing in Nagorno Karabakh.

I would tend to trust the Zionist and their agents opinions on how effective the student protests have been. According to them, going by how freaked out they are by the protests and what extraordinary measures they have take to try to end free speech in America as a response, I have to think the protests have been very effective. You can't prove it as a cause, but I read only 33% of Democrats support Israel now.

The main demand of the student protests are for divestment from Israel. I don't see how that's so radical. It's totally in line with U.S. and international law regarding cooperation with terrorists and states in violation of U.N resolutions. It doesn't even register as background noise at this point, but the settlements are illegal and their illegality is acknowledged all over the world. Making demands for the enforcement of international and U.S, law is by definition not radical.

Divestment worked on the racist bastards who ran apartheid in South Africa and it will be effective against the racist bastards who run Israel. We just need more people on board.