RFK - Make America Healthy? again?

How many people were infected during each time period in which you are comparing?

Man once COVID is really spread, every one gets it. Cases if anything were under reported, especially in countries where your human rights are limited if you are infected, you only report it if necessary, and you only test if mandated or in severe conditions to get treatment.

Given COVID did basically nothing to a huge part of the infected how can you think cases were over reported? It was a Chinese cold that everyone got, often much more than once.

Except it was a novel cold so people with immunity system problems or ultrafragile people could die from it.

Now it's just a nasty cold, the fifth coronaviridae (HCoV) to be around us and give us colds.

Cases mean a positive PCR test. That's all.

Its virtually meaningless. A grapefruit can test positive.

After a couple of years with COVID in a community everyone got exposed to it multiple times. You know that same as the cold.

There aren't people who never met COVID around anymore.

and a grapefruit can outperform some humans if the test for intelligence is refraining from speaking on topics without any actual knowledge of subject matter.

the world is a crazy place.

Good point. So how do you explain the dramatic increase in deaths after the vaccine rollout then?

Going to comment on the fact that your claim that cases went up by about the same amount as deaths was complete nonsense?

Or just going to bounce around between various absurd arguments that would get you laughed out of a middle school level logic class?

I'm glad to see you posting around these parts again, Willd.

it's cute to see BJ trying a bit harder today. Always nice when the dog wants to go for a walk.

I wonder if rfk remembers how 'back in the day' tons of families had that 1 child who just kinda sat around their entire lives?

Well, I like to keep you guys entertained. That's what this forum's all about after all.

And dumb sheeple trying to justify the fact that they were stupid enough to take the experimental mRNA clot shots never ceases to amuse me. So the entertainment is mutual.

Because before the vaccine there basically was no COVID in Australia.

They reopened when the vaccine was available and everyone got infected.

The smallish portion of the population that was at risk all got COVID anyway (vaccine doesn't prevent having COVID after a few months) and some of them died.

But given they were vaccinated fewer died than in other countries.

Think of nursing homes (by far the single biggest source of COVID excess deaths). When COVID came into unvaccinated nursing homes in Europe and the USA, something from 10 to 30 % of residents died in 8-12 weeks.

In Australia 2-5% died.

My parents are each one of four, and each definitely have a sibling who would be diagnosed autistic 60 years later. I have one uncle who every single family event would come, say nothing, and then leave and sit in his car in the driveway the rest of the time, and an aunt who is a single cat lady who gives us the same pair of socks for Christmas every year.

Both my brother and I are on the spectrum. My brother significantly more than me, but hes ~7 years older than me and hes undiagnosed.

At a family gathering my brother and I were ripping on each other and I said something like "Do you still have all that autism" and my mom heard about it and is now convinced that she has autism. I never considered my mom Autistic. If either of my parents were on the spectrum I think my dad would be more likely but the point is they just never thought about it

So, you are saying only a small portion of the population actually needed the vaccine and they got covid anyway and 24000 of them died.

This is for a vaccine that was supposed to prevent death.

By the way the 2-5% death rate is in line with the death rate we saw on the Diamond Princess for a similar age group. And that was pre vaccine.

What I can't wrap my head around is why anti-vaxers aren't also anti-Trump?

He's the one who authorized (and bragged about multiple times) the massive spending on finding a vaccine, under the rushed and possibly inadequate time schedule, without the usual required testing, ect.

Then he bragged about how great an accomplishment it was and said that everyone should get it.

Basically everything you seem to dislike about the Covid vaccine was directly caused by Donald Trump.

I'm not saying this means you should support Democrats or anyone else in particular, but it seems to me that you should hate Trump more than anyone else.

i doubt it's the creation of the vaccine. it's the "you must be vaccinated in order to do so and so."

No argument.

Although trump was misled to some extent. But he was ultimately responsible. It's a huge black mark in my book.

He was strongly against mandates though which evens the ledger a bit I guess.

And of course Trump's ego would never allow him to admit he made a mistake. So he just doubled down like an idiot.

Speaking of trump and the vaccine.

No, i said 2-5% in NURSING HOMES. The people on Diamond Princess weren't in nursing home conditions. People in nursing home can't physically cruise, most of them can't even stand up by themselves.

When covid came in Spain and Italy we had stuff like 2 or 3 out of 10 residents dead in a month in nursing homes (when the normal death rate is 2% per month in NH in Italy, they stay on average 4 years).

In australia the vaccinated people in nursing homes died in excess by 2-5% (ie instead of the expected 25-30% death rate per year you got a tad higher death rate in nursing homes for 2 years).

Now ofc only at risk people needed the vaccine, the results would have been basically the same if only old people, morbidly obese people, and people with 3+ severe comorbidities had been vaccinated, the others basically never die of covid anyway.

Trump didn't mandate the vaccine, the horrific choice was the mandates. And btw it wasn't Trump FDA to approve the vaccine in full, it was biden FDA. The FDA under Trump only gave emergency authorization and that's not enough to mandate it.

Which is why colleges, the militaries and so on waited for the full approval before mandating. Which came august 2021. Under Biden, with Biden appointed "acting commissioner" Woodcock at the FDA (A terrible person who has monstrous responsibilities for the opiod crisis).

Except for most people who complain about "mandates" never got vaccinated themselves. Which means it was never very mandatory.

Every requirement I know of either had weekly Covid testing as an alternative and/or could be suspended for medical or religious reasons.

In nearly all cases, anyone who wanted to stay unvaccinated without losing their job just had to claim to belong to a religion which didn't approve of vaccines.

I remember you claiming this then admitting you were wrong when we already discussed this and you "forgot" college students who had already paid tuition got kicked out unless they vaccinated *even if the colleges were fully remote* (think of how insanely evil those people have been).

And no medical and religious exceptions weren't allowed basically ever for the covid vaccine (medical, because the establishment simply declared there were no medical reasons not to vaccinate ever, including pregnant women which are usually kept out of basically almost any drug).

Militaries didn't allow religious exemptions for the covid vaccine , and there was no exemption from vax passes. With no proof of vaccination you couldn't go to restaurants and so on in many places.

Keep in mind that while that was private decision making in many cases, it was only legally possible because Biden FDA fully approved the vaccine (Even before the routine 4 years had passed to check for long term problems and so on).

With no full approval by the FDA no mandates (breaking all historic precedent in timing) , private or public, would have been possible. And the full approval wasn't needed to have the vaccine available, the emergency approval was enough.

That would mean the Trumpers would have to both believe in observable facts and draw a logical conclusion, unfortunately both things are maga kryptonite