Israel/Palestine thread

A land without a people, a people without a land?

we have already been over why this is an absurd framing.

civil war that the West and Israel created

civil war that the West and Israel created

civil war that the West created

civil war that the West and probably Israel created

civil war that the West created

see a pattern yet?

No idea what you're on about

Don't you Israeli supremacist fascists ever have any new arguments?

"It's only when we commit genocide that anyone complains"

Again, you're talking mostly to Americans. Some of us don't want our tax money, weapons, and diplomatic cover spent on heinous barbarity against innocent people. I don't know why that's so hard to grasp.

Maybe this sounds insensitive to my fellow Leftist, but I really don't care what people halfway around the world do to each other as long as it doesn't involve or have impacts on me or my country. But Israel has infiltrated my government, corrupted it, and is controlling it and my money towards doing the worst evil possible. The idea that I'm not supposed to care about my resources and my country being harnessed into the exact opposite moral direction from my values or what I want my country is supposed to be about is so offensive that I actually fear people saying this to my face because I honestly don't know how much I can control myself in those scenarios.

I meant Jewish migrants emigrating to Israel today haven't and I don't gaf what happened 80 years ago. Israel have just as much a right to exist as Ireland, America, Kosovo and any other nation forged through violence and considering you constantly make excuses for Russia trying to take over things by force, you're the last person to wag your finger at anyone.

they literally do nearly every single day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_o...

Western synagogues often sell illegal land in settlements for people to steal.

and they arent migrants emigrating. migrants dont violently displace the exist population and rewrite the history. thats not what the word means. you guys continue to genocide language just as much as people.

agreed. they all have exactly no "right to exist."

well, I dont do that and its very telling that you need to make up absurd lies to even attempt a weak whataboutism.

Yes. A pattern of the Arab world (and more generally the Ummah) having zero accountability for bad decision making and blaming all of ones problems on the Jews. Which the Western world has facilitated for way too long, to no ones benefit.

Israel do have a right to exist regardless of your bullshit and Israel will continue to exist long after you and the rest of your anti Semitic ilk are wormfood. Deal with it or cry more.

not a single country has a right to exist. there is nothing at all in international law, logic, or morality that would indicate such an absurd concept.

you seem to think that there is something special about Jews and Israel that makes them better than everyone else on the planet. thats super weird.

So if violence legitimizes this "right to exist," you can hardly blame Palestinians for trying to forge their own nation through violence. Worst you can say is they're just bad at playing the game of conquest and exploitation.

right I didnt catch that. it is a very Western concept to require the "forging through violence" for the natives to stay on their ancestral land.

They have been trying for 80 years, and failing miserably, with us subsiding most of it. Time to cut the cord IMO. Let them move on to more productive pursuits.

Victor,

Looks like the Jews caused islamists to massacre a bunch of people in Kashmir today. Same as they have been responsible for every conflict in the Ummah over the last 80 years.

I will say, When will the Jews stop making Islamists murder people all over the world.

right I dont think that has anything to do with West Asia and Palestine and the genocide being committed by Israel. so its not even good whataboutism. just a complete non sequitur.

Sure hey have a right to exist and international law is irrelevant and subjective anyway

Keep proving your anti Semitism. The whole point was that Israel has the right to exist as much as any other country, ergo aren't actually special. You seem to think they deserve special standards for some totally unknown reason...

I never said anything about legitimacy I said plenty of nations were forg3d through violence but only the world's one Jewish state constantly gets its legitimacy challenged, again for totally unknown reasons I'm sure.

And the Palestinians could have had their own state decades ago. They didn't want to share with Jews. So no they don't get to thunder about freedom when they could have had it already.
But you knew this anyway, poster with the spot on username.

Don't forget the evil west.

this is a bizarre thing to say after the US has led regime change wars in Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Vietnam, Korea and many other places. oh, and dont forget Palestine.

you kinda give the game away here. why should there be a "Jewish State"? what makes the Jews deserving of an ethnostate?

All transfers from the U.S. are for the benefit of Israel. And Israel would have never been able to be the menace to the region it is without a tremendous and tremendously costly level of support from the U.S. and, previously, the British. You're really going to be the biggest welfare recipient ever and then turn around and criticize the Palestinians for getting some food we give to them just to avoid Israel looking like the monsters we all know they are?

Even the typical protestor of Israel, inspired to oppose Israel's mass killing, doesn't realize how much Israel costs us diplomatically or materially. That whole oil crisis in the 70s, for example, cost us immeasurably. In addition to direct economic costs it cost us politically. There is so much hatred towards us because of our support of Israel, support which also undermines international law and, by extension, peace in the world.

Israel could do none of this by itself. It's only real achievement is parasitically infiltrating other governments and corrupting their leaders into supporting their abhorrent ethnic cleansing and genocide projects, generating massively harmful externalities in the process. Maybe the phrasing "right to exist" comes from a place of knowledge that if Israel didn't exist the world would be so much better off.

Let's try this again so that even you can understand. They could have had their own state handed to them. They chose to reject it. So no they aren't legitimised using violence. But keep being you.

Can't address a single point I've made, so time to fallback to whatabouts and meaningless catchphrases you parrot out.

That's not in Israel, though, that's in the Occupied Territories, whose entire status is illegal.

They're migrants, but they're also aggressive and illegal colonial settlers. Mostly Americans, seems like.

I did address your points and you completely disregard that they could have had their own state and self determination decades ago, meaning your legitimacy argument holds no water and is a straw man anyway as I never said Israel has a right to exist because they engaged in violence, I said they have as much a right to exist as any other nation forged by violence, regardless of how one feels about violence anyway. I'm not entertaining your trolling, which isn't the same as not addressing your strawman masquerading as a point. And the US is recognised as a legitimate state today, even if it engaged in genocide against Native Americans and enslaved black people. Lots of nations have unsavoury histories too. They're still recognised as nations. Again only Israel seems to be the exception to the rule. I wonder why.

No, just the US. Up to 1967, Britain and France sold arms to Israel for profit. Even when they dropped out due to Israel's territorial aggression, the initial US shipment of Phantom jets was paid for. The thing that distorted the geopolitics of the region, and enabled Israel to act with total irresponsibility, was the US decision to vote annual 'arms credits' for Israel, meaning free weaponry, even though Israel can perfectly well fund its legitimate defence needs.