Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Gaza has basically become Haiti. Complete social breakdown. Hamas Jihadis are literally roaming the streets stealing whatever they can and executing anyone who they perceive to be in the way.
And Syria not much better. Hundreds of Druze being pogrommed by European supported Jihadis, with no one but Israel opposing them.
The notion that European nations want to eradicate all of the Palestinians is lunacy and completely disconnected from reality. EU nations are condemning Israel more than the Arab nations.
France and the UK are in talks about recognising Palestine as a state, with Macron suggesting France would like it to happen next month. Spain, Norway and Ireland have already recognised Palestine, but France and Britain are permanent UNSC members, so that would be a bit more than performative.
France and the UK are in talks about recognising Palestine as a state, with Macron suggesting France would like it to happen next month. Spain, Norway and Ireland have already recognised Palestine, but France and Britain are permanent UNSC members, so that would be a bit more than performative.
If anything, the problem has been Europe is too committed to supporting the idea of a "Palestinian people" and eventual state. Given geography, regional power dynamics and incentive structures; the idea that this area can be successfully balkanized into Israel and a functional Palestinian State is poorly conceived with little chance of ever working out. This has been the case for 80 years.
Gaza has basically become Haiti. Complete social breakdown. Hamas Jihadis are literally roaming the streets stealing whatever they can and executing anyone who they perceive to be in the way.
And Syria not much better. Hundreds of Druze being pogrommed by European supported Jihadis, with no one but Israel opposing them.
Which of course has been condemned by the UN, currently doing nothing to protect the Druze, despite Druze leaders asking for international help.
UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres criticised the recent Israeli bombing, calling it a "violation of Syria's sovereignty".
In a statement delivered by his spokesman, Guterres called for Israel to stop such attacks and to respect Syria's "unity, its territorial integrity and its independence".
A spiritual leader of Syria's Druze, Sheikh Hikmat al-Hijri, condemned the violence on Thursday as an "unjustifiable genocidal campaign" against his community and called for intervention by "international forces to maintain peace".
Gaza has basically become Haiti. Complete social breakdown. Hamas Jihadis are literally roaming the streets stealing whatever they can and executing anyone who they perceive to be in the way.
And Syria not much better. Hundreds of Druze being pogrommed by European supported Jihadis, with no one but Israel opposing them.
Syria is completely different.
major areas are controlled by the jihadista and Life Is "normal" (under the jihadist definition) there.
areas with "enemies of Islam" are seeing pogroms as normal, but Syria is much more like Iran immediately after the revolution than like Gaza or Haiti.
Syria right now isn't a failed state anymore (although it could incur in territorial losses at the margin ofc), it is just a country that had a violent revolution won by a terrorist group which is "cleaning house" of ethnic and cultural groups that aren't "friends of the revolution".
so like Cuba when Castro won, Iran when the clerics won and so on
Hot take, it’s not good to eradicate all Palestinians or all Israelis. Crazy, I know.
there is no need to kill all Palestinians but at this point it's clear it's impossible to have lasting peace unless you move all of them far away.
if you have other proposal to guarantee at 99.99% probability or better a 10 7 (or worse) will not happen again in the next centuries I will listen.
if your proposal doesn't guarantee that it's not a solution
there is no need to kill all Palestinians but at this point it's clear it's impossible to have lasting peace unless you move all of them far away.
if you have other proposal to guarantee at 99.99% probability or better a 10 7 (or worse) will not happen again in the next centuries I will listen.
if your proposal doesn't guarantee that it's not a solution
That’s not the standard I hold to. It’s a dangerous region with lots of terrorists, many of which hate Israel. I don’t think there is hardly anything that Israel can do to achieve that which wouldn’t hurt some of their other goals and values.
Bring back the occupation before you do that imo…
Which of course has been condemned by the UN, currently doing nothing to protect the Druze, despite Druze leaders asking for international help.
The "International community" has been bought and paid for by Qatar, so they will be supporting the Al Qaeda/HTS/Turkey/Qatar Muslim Brotherhood axis, and 'see no evil, hear no evil' by any of said actors. The US is also in the process of leaving Eastern Syria, so expect HTS and allies to eventually roll in and do the same to the Kurds as they are doing to the Alawites and Druze.
Which is realpolitik and fine. But if you are going to make such calculations, it is horribly hypocritical to try to take the moral high ground and lecture Israel and the US.
I wish that was true and they realized that and acted toward with full force that but they don't realize that and they don't act toward that.
LOOL Lucifer
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed to retaliate against the Houthis after a missile fired by the group struck the grounds of Israel's main airport.
Gaza has basically become Haiti. Complete social breakdown. Hamas Jihadis are literally roaming the streets stealing whatever they can and executing anyone who they perceive to be in the way.
Guy watches the equivalent of of 7 nuclear bombs worth of explosives dropped on one of the most densely populate areas in the world, an area about the size of Manhattan, and calls it a social breakdown.
What do you think you are doing by speaking on this subject? I'm asking because nobody thinks, including you, that anything you are saying is connected to the reality which is being livestreamed on social media and commented on by all levels of experts. I read stuff like this and it gets me wondering whether people with down syndrome can perhaps, on an emotional level, get wrapped up in fascism. Like what is the nut low intellect that could totally understand what Hitler was doing and be able to go along with it?
Although Americans remain more likely to say their sympathies in the Middle East situation are with the Israelis rather than the Palestinians, the 46% expressing support for Israel is the lowest in 25 years of Gallup’s annual tracking of this measure on its World Affairs survey. The previous 51% low point in this trend of Americans’ sympathy for Israelis was recorded both last year and in 2001.
At the same time, the 33% of U.S. adults who now say they sympathize with the Palestinians is up six percentage points from last year and the highest reading by two points.
Israel reaching these numbers amongst the populace of ITS OWN BENEFACTOR STATE does not bode well for Israel and its ongoing campaign of mass murder. The U.S.?? The same place with very Zionism-friendly media and with massive Israeli (AIPAC) influence in its politics?!?!?
When you look at international data, you quickly discover the truth of my assertion that support for Israel is absolutely plummeting around the world. Everybody everywhere increasingly regards Israel as a rogue state committing mass war crimes.
Why do you Zionist geniuses think this is happening? Is the planet overrun with MARXIST media members brainwashing a few billion people into loving Hamas? Did Earth wake up on the wrong side of the bed one morning and decide to hate all Jews? Or, just possibly, could it be that people worldwide recognize that Israel is murdering innocents en masse, i.e., committing genocide as part of their state project, and various other violent crimes?
If anything, the problem has been Europe is too committed to supporting the idea of a "Palestinian people" and eventual state. Given geography, regional power dynamics and incentive structures; the idea that this area can be successfully balkanized into Israel and a functional Palestinian State is poorly conceived with little chance of ever working out. This has been the case
Damn bro. I guess we have no solution but to murder all of them :(
take your higher-minded justifications for genocide and shove them up your ass
Why do you Zionist geniuses think this is happening? Is the planet overrun with MARXIST media members brainwashing a few billion people into loving Hamas? Did Earth wake up on the wrong side of the bed one morning and decide to hate all Jews? Or, just possibly, could it be that people worldwide recognize that Israel is murdering innocents en masse, i.e., committing genocide
The world isn't over run. But there are a lot of Islamist and leftist losers in the world, being fed by the outrage machine. And they are currently in a potential civilization destroying unholy alliance, and western liberal elites are just letting it happen.
The truth is human nature is little, petty and tribal. And Western civilization has been a great triumph over such nature.
"Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times"
But it appears we are currently somewhere in the "good times create weak men/weak men create hard times" part of the cycle; so humanity does appear to be entering a time of darkness.
"Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times"
This is one of the right's favorite cliches. It's untrue and deeply moronic, of course, but such things have never dissuaded Dunyain.
Hard times create BROKEN men (and women, but I'm not sure where they fit in within your reactionary scheme). Hey, take a guess, which kind of economic and family life did the overwhelming majority of serial killers and spree killers come from? Did they come from hard times, or good times?
"Austerity creates misery, which creates violence" is a far more accurate take. Less catchy, I admit.
But there are a lot of Islamist and leftist losers in the world, being fed by the outrage machine.
hmmm
If we were to remove the "outrage machine", (much of it being pro-Israeli, of course, but these guys like to pretend the entire media ecosystem is HAMAS) do you think the "Islamist and leftist losers" would be more inclined to excuse Israeli mass murder (including how overwhelmingly disproportionate it is compared to atrocities from the other side)? Interesting question.
western liberal elites are just letting it happen
this is an incredible thing to say as the entire liberal establishment is fully on board with supporting the genocide and criminalizing any support of Palestine.
Average MSNBC host: "They've caught us! They learned that we hate all Jews and want Hamas to set up a caliphate in America! Now, let's turn to recurring guest Alan Dershowitz for his opinion on the matter..."
look at this liberal law school supporting the caliphate. if they were serious they would just execute the students.
what’s with chronically not posting full articles. I shouldn’t have to ask someone to give me more than just a headline, which are oftentimes bullshit as lefties so love to criticize (passive voice, not naming who did what, etc)
what’s with chronically not posting full articles. I shouldn’t have to ask someone to give me more than just a headline, which are oftentimes bullshit as lefties so love to criticize (passive voice, not naming who did what, etc)
I scrolled backwards through this thread and found your last 18 posts before getting bored. Guess how many of them include ANY kind of source, whether it be a headline, an entire longform article, a Tweet, or anything else. That's right, ZERO. Zero point zero. I DID find a whole bunch of angry, low-content, one-line missives demonstrating nothing of value...
... and you're asking for MORE DETAILED sources from your enemies?!? YOU DONT SOURCE ANYTHING EVER, YOU RIDICULOUS HYPOCRITE!
You make a compelling argument for them to give up the remaining hostages.
I scrolled backwards through this thread and found your last 18 posts before getting bored. Guess how many of them include ANY kind of source, whether it be a headline, an entire longform article, a Tweet, or anything else. That's right, ZERO. Zero point zero. I DID find a whole bunch of angry, low-content, one-line missives demonstrating nothing of value...... and you're a
Cool story bro.
How many posts have I made of the headline of an article without posting the full article?
Cool story bro.
How many posts have I made of the headline of an article without posting the full article?
Nobody cares. You apparently never post anything other than your own thoughts. So why in the hell would anyone listen to your critique of misleading or insufficiently sophisticated sourcing from other people? Do you seriously not see the blatant hypocrisy?
A real "hasbarists are not sending their best" situation here. JFC.
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