Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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I donate money to Hamas and Hezbollah almost every day. thats how liberal Westerners resist. everything is solved by money. but hey, maybe I light myself on fire tomorrow.
the facts on the ground prove that the only way to actually resist is with arms. donating money helps some people remain alive for a bit longer. but the only way this ends is at the point of a gun. and thats not in my dna.
I donate money to Hamas and Hezbollah almost every day. thats how liberal Westerners resist. everything is solved by money. but hey, maybe I light myself on fire tomorrow.
That's material support of terrorism which is what I always got assured radical leftists didn't do in this forum, which is why I wasn't supposed to ask for them to be treated like actual criminals.
“I secured four or five bulldozers [from another unit], and they demolished 60 houses per day.
Did you think Hamas was going to be allowed to keep their arms and the strip following Oct 7th? Might wanna write to Jill Stein and see what she’s planning to do about this. Trump is also pressuring Iran to give up support for its proxies and unfortunately the support from western leftists doesn’t do much beyond virtue signaling. Hamas is on an island with no friends or allies.
Trump and his circle only care about people as long as they have something to offer. Unfortunately, the Palestinians have absolutely nothing to offer and so have predictably been all but forgotten by him (Trump). Well they have the land, but that’s worthless to him if it’s filled with religious nutbags and unfit for western tourism.
Similar to 1948, October 7th was supposed to bring about the genocide of the Jewish population in the Middle East but it didn’t. Instead it backfired on the aggressors and here we are in the present.
The global intifada didn’t happen. The hostages didn’t buy nearly as much leverage as they thought. A lot of things happened that Bill didn’t predict.
The fact is no one is willing to enter a conflict with Israel, especially not on behalf of the Palestinians.
And it’s been said before, but don’t expect things to return to the pre-Oct 7 status quo where Hamas gets to carry out routine terror attacks against Israel bankrolled by foreign aid and in return receive a slap on the wrist.
Similar to 1948, October 7th was supposed to bring about the genocide of the Jewish population in the Middle East but it didn’t.
No, it was a terrorist act, so it had the same feeble intention as all terrorist acts: to provoke a reaction by the target state which the terrorists imagined would provide a continuing pretext for their hobby of murder. (I mean it wasn't exactly a serious military operation with a serious and achievable objective, was it?) A little surprisingly, the terrorists failed to foresee that the inevitable Israeli reaction would be to destroy Gaza in a limitless war against Hamas and even depopulate and colonise the place. Presumably, because the Israelis have in the past over-indulged hostage-takers (a serious mistake), Hamas imagined that the huge number of hostages seized would prevent Israeli retaliation in force. But Oct 7 was an unprecedented offence and the Israeli reaction was bound to be pretty unprecedented as well, particularly given the racist character of the Netanyahu government and the usual rule that a government with internal problems always welcomes a war against an external threat. Hamas failed the simple test of 'Know your enemy.'
Not sure Hamas cares. Sinwar was drunk on his own koolaid and much of the political leadership is living large abroad.
The youngsters making up the rank and file grew up on pure Hamas propaganda.
No, it was a terrorist act, so it had the same feeble intention as all terrorist acts: to provoke a reaction by the target state which the terrorists imagined would provide a continuing pretext for their hobby of murder. (I mean it wasn't exactly a serious military operation with a serious and achievable objective, was it?) A little surprisingly, the terrorists failed to forese
the objective was to take prisoners to exchange for the thousands of Palestinians that were being tortured in Israeli dungeons as political prisoners. over the decades this has proven a very effective method and its how Sinwar got freed as we all know.
I find your posts on this subject pretty good when focusing on Israel and you are able to recognize they are the biggest liars on the planet. but when it comes to Hamas for some reason you believe the most insane ideas.
Not sure Hamas cares. Sinwar was drunk on his own koolaid.
The youngsters making up the rank and file grew up on pure Hamas propaganda.
Change the names and you’ve described the US perfectly.
yeah you're not going to get any dead jews out of that hezbollah investment. i'd request a chargeback
No, it was a terrorist act, so it had the same feeble intention as all terrorist acts: to provoke a reaction by the target state which the terrorists imagined would provide a continuing pretext for their hobby of murder. (I mean it wasn't exactly a serious military operation with a serious and achievable objective, was it?) A little surprisingly, the terrorists failed to forese
It seems there was also a severe underestimation of Israeli capabilities, and over-estimation of Hezbollah, IRGC and Hamas. Sinwar seems to have thought an Israeli ground offensives into Gaza and Lebanon would go something along the lines of the 2006 Lebanon war, with a lot of Israeli casualties with little tactical gains, which was regarded as a victory for Hezbollah.
And he hoped/expected the IRGC and Hezbollah would commit more than they did, and achieve some success. Hezbollah and the IRGC for their part seems to have had a more realistic understanding of Israeli military capabilities relative to their own, and did not really commit as much as Sinwar had hoped. And Hezbollah especially was surprisingly ineffective and compromised compared to their success in 2006.
It seems Hamas was also in part a victim of their own success. It seems they had no idea they would find such a large soft target in the music festival. And they also underestimated how many non Hamas Palestinian's would join in, and the sheer brutality and atrocities that would be committed by their own forces and civilians.
the objective was to take prisoners to exchange for the thousands of Palestinians that were being tortured in Israeli dungeons as political prisoners. over the decades this has proven a very effective method and its how Sinwar got freed as we all know.I find your posts on this subject pretty good when focusing on Israel and you are able to recognize they are the biggest liars o
I think you underestimate sinwar actually. It was not just a hostage grab, as 57 said there would of course be an Israeli response putting Gaza back in the international spotlight. Sinwar knew netenyahu plenty well.
I think you underestimate sinwar actually. It was not just a hostage grab, as 57 said there would of course be an Israeli response putting Gaza back in the international spotlight. Sinwar knew netenyahu plenty well.
Sinwar was en epic stooge. He hoped for a sucessful prisoner swap and to bring hez into the ballgame. He got a fraction of the prisoners, hez got rekt and of course iran are cowards. The likely outcome is what happened, sinwar dies and the Palestinian populas pay the price because they are at the mercy of that muthet****er
Sinwar was en epic stooge. He hoped for a sucessful prisoner swap and to bring hez into the ballgame. He got a fraction of the prisoners, hez got rekt and of course iran are cowards. The likely outcome is what happened, sinwar dies and the Palestinian populas pay the price because they are at the mercy of that muthet****er
We'll wait and see the end result
Also Israel does a genocide and now everyone hates them. Israelis will continue to be pariahs throughout the world. They think if they bomb enough children that people will like them and accept them as superiors. In fact, in terms of global public perspective, they have replaced the Nazis as evil incarnate and the most reviled people on the planet.
Maybe that was Sinwars plan. but really I think people attribute far too much predictive ability to Sinwars.
Sinwar was en epic stooge. He hoped for a sucessful prisoner swap and to bring hez into the ballgame. He got a fraction of the prisoners, hez got rekt and of course iran are cowards. The likely outcome is what happened, sinwar dies and the Palestinian populas pay the price because they are at the mercy of that muthet****er
Saying “Iran are cowards” isn’t really productive.
The IRGC has major economic and social domestic issues and are beholden in part to china and Russia, neither of whom want them to go to war.
On top of this, In truth The Revolution has run out of steam in Iran and the Iranian people arenÂ’t interested at all.
What Sinwar understood about the domestic situation in Iran and what was going to happen your guess is as good as mine.
