[ClubWPTGold] Unofficial Thread

yah i can log in fine on the web browswer but as soon as i try the app i get geolocate and then for a few can't get back in via the broswer for a few.

at some point its about convenience and enjoyment, and unless $$$ is the only motivating factor this site has been a diaster. games are always good enough elsewhere and these were great for a while but i'm off the site until they can get back figure out there issues.

they love rolling out big tourney series freerolls and all these shiny things but this is basic 101 **** of running a business and online poker site they really have sucked out. i was hoping the WPT brand would bring WPT quality but that did not happen here.

Same here. They are a bunch of monkeys.

1. 3 bet BIG when dealing with multiple callers or OOP. Recently more and more fish have also started to adopt this technique as well
2. Identify players (who have bets sizing tells) who 3bet all their suited Aces and pocket pairs
3. Learn when to check strong hands against villains who are likely to bluff off their stack
4. Don't trust the HUD stats. A 70/50 may be currently playing as a 30/20, observe and adjust accordingly.
5. Players are generally sticky so I try to be selective when running big bluffs
6. When players bet 40BB or more they're unlikely to fold to raises
7. OOP to 3 or more callers, I usually check missed flops unless it was a raise from the blinds.
8. Calling wide from the SB/BB vs a raise with multiple callers (to take position on the eventual cbet)
9. Call raises with AKo from the LJ
10.Be wary of cbetting multiple streets against a villain who cold calls 3bets or call/call preflop as they likely have a pocket pair or better.

Unfortunately with the recent multitable change it's made the straddle ante games nothing more than a rake trap. Playing 1 or 2 tables bum hunting can be super profitable but trying to seriously multi 4 tables for long stretches is just not a profitable venture with the current state of the games. Too many loose or passives (50/15, 40/20, 60/30, etc) will bloat the avg pot size, inflating the rake while increasing the variance.

This site raises a lot of red flags. The only way to contact them is through a support ticket. There is no phone number, no physical address, and no email listed. And even if you submit a ticket, do not expect a timely response. They often leave you waiting for weeks with no reply or completely ghost you.

Redemptions are painfully slow, taking days just to get approved and even longer to reach your bank. If they decide to disappear with your money, good luck finding them. There is absolutely no accountability. You can't even find their company name or where they’re registered on their site. Are they even based in the United States? Proceed with extreme caution.

I feel like theres enough credible, verifiable bad things about this site that we don't need to spread random fear mongering about payouts. I've done over 50k in cashouts without any issues.

It is my opinion that high stakes is now a rake trap. A $15 rake cap at 10/20 in an ante game that encourages multiway postflop action is actually insane. For reference WSOP caps rake at $5 at 10/20+. The stucture encourages multiway postflop play with bloated pots so the cap is hit very often. I wouldnt be suprised if a 10/20 table is raking $400+ per hour. In any case, they are raking more than a live poekr table which pays for rent, free drinks, waitresses, cleaners, a floor, front desk, etc.

edit: Full disclaimer: I withdrew my full roll from the site. It was a great run, but the game quality has decreased drastically and the software is so bad its tilting lol. I may return after series if some improvements are made.

All games are a rake trap here dude

Rake probably ends up >12bb/100 due to so many hands going postflop, even at 800NL. The games have to be insanely good for it to be worth it. They used to be, but are no longer (IMO).

its always relative to a point but for most you're correct. it has a push down affect as well. now that I can't single table 800nl I'll move down and add tables. that lowers others win rates at those levels and pushes some of them down. so on and so forth.

my initial post in this thread I was so happy. I could look past the janky software/bugs because a site appeared to be doing what was necessary to keep a healthy lobby. alas, it was just a quick rollout rollout of the product and dumb luck keeping things good. greed always wins.

They were never trying to keep it healthy. They were simply incapable of anything else at the time. Look at what they rolled out lol.....they are still incapable. They want to rake as much as possible just like every other site that exists. I agree with you, it was all by accident that it worked so well with one table in the beginning

I blame Brad Owen's rapping cat. That feline is evil I tell you!

4% with a 6BB cap, 12BB/100 is WAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too low. I'd guess it's more like 3-4x that amount at the micros.

1) The SPR is frequently around 4:1 going to the flop with 3 callers.
2) The straddle and antes increase the burn rate 5x per orbit
3) 4 raises to be aipf with 200BB

It's the worst game I've ever played and I've played on nearly every site since 2001.

The straddle+ante game is the crack of online poker and should be avoided at all costs

Id rather play high rake / high variance games with crappy software then low rake games vs bots and colluders. I guess it all depends on your options and personal preference. Keep the cheaters out and I will gladly pay you more in rake. Even if the win rates are comparable - id rather my money go to a business then a bot ring or a bunch of eastern European colluders.

Playing here vs humans again for the last few months has really solidified how utterly crooked the games at ignition are. I prefer the software at ignition but what good is that if half the people at the table are cheating you.

Just an absurd take. You honestly think that's what your rake is going towards? They don't need to charge 3x industry standard to keep bots and colluders out.

There are no hand histories. No way for players to police bots/collusion. This is paradise for them.

WSOP, Global dont allow euros in.

Speaking of collusion rings, earlier this year I played on ACR to try and get some tracked hands. Often when I would open sit I would get 5 players from the Russian federation who instantly joined. Mfers saw my american flag and thought it was time to gangbang me.

Yeah, my bad I didn't realize the cap was 6bb at micros. You're right that the rake is probably 3-4x what I said.

At higher stakes rake generally should be 2-3bb/100. So being at 12 feels unreasonably greedy. When the games had 3+ recs per table it was bearable, but playing 3 tables of 800NL here you are paying ~$170 an hour in rake without any rb/bonuses. Just doesn't seem worth it anymore. And I say that as someone who is up piles.

Obviously, I would prefer lower rake. There is no way for me to know from the outside what the appropriate amount of rake is needed to keep the game secure. I am just saying that I understand the rake is really high for the industry but am still playing there because its better than any of my alternatives (that don't involve using a VPN and breaking T&S of a ROW site). If you think you have better alternatives because the rake is too high than you are free to give your business to another company and maybe if enough people do that they will lower it. I will not be doing that.

I played a couple sessions while waiting for a card game at canterbury park on my laptop via verizon hot spot last week without issues. Today it said i'm from one of the banned states. I was still able to log in from home though through the app.

This leads me to believe a bit more of what support is saying about people showing up by a casino is the geolocating issue. I remember one guy saying the nearest casino is 20 miles away though. Seems like they need to fix the boundaries of casino's in their geolocation?

It's weird too because the web browser also blocked me a couple times but let me through others.

Ugh.

I've signed in while in a casino on their wifi, I don't think that is the issue

If i go to a random website that tracks geolocation in browser it is putting me 100 miles away but more to the interior of the state. I'm tempted to try the wifi here but don't want to somehow get blocked from playing with anyone else who's ever logged in from here. Maybe that doesn't happen with large wifi like this it just gives me pause.

Global is allowed in the same states and has lower rake, rakeback, note taking, decent "software", doesn't allow Euros, doesn't have a table limit. So, yeah there are better alternatives in the US.

Went on canterbury park's wifi and the app works. So it was my verizon phone's hot spot related it appears.

I live in California and had no issues until recently. The closest real casino to me is 100 miles away and I've never had problems logging onto any other site geolocation wise. Club wpt gold is just lazy, fos and incompetent tbh.

And honestly, ignition has been unplayable for a couple years now. It had a good run around covid time but now is full of collusion, bad games, no rakeback (unless you were grandfathered in), annon games, etc. I remember I tried 100NL on there even as recent as earlier this year and tracked the hands; 65% of the hands PF were 3bet. The average VPIP of my opponents was garbage lying low too. Lol, that's just terrible games.

So just to recap the issues most are having

No PLO

Still some geolocation issues for some it seems

Rake is high

Very Very laggy approval/cashout times

Customer service is pretty non existent with email response times taking about 2 days for regular inquires

Un Certified RNG

Old software

PKO tournaments do not display the amount on each players head in a separate box so any action taken by the player (fold raise all in) now covers the bounty to be won.

I would still rather deal with all that than give any money to ACR or Bovada again.