Israel/Palestine thread

Lol what is it with communists and their hard ons for execution? All about the morality...😆 And yeah you actually do, hence your approving "exactly" response to deuces.

Firing warning shots when they strayed from the approved route, during a war, you mean. Again you're simply lying. Keep being you.

Twitter poster has an Arabic looking name. MUST BE HAMAS

I actually never agreed with capital punishment until I saw the depravity of the Israelis.

keep being hyper literal about a throwaway line from Deuces. I am sure you will gain the moral highground despite supporting the mass burning alive of babies.

She sounds perfectly balanced babbling on about Apartheid and occupation in her twitter feed.

I’m not in favour of capital punishment for any normal crimes including murder but I’d make an exception for clear war criminals because jail sentences won’t deter those bastards.

Calling Israel apartheid and Palestinians as under occupation = Hamas, I’m sure you’ll agree. What do you think should happen to her?

So every Hamas member who took part in Oct 07 should be executed? So Sinwar deserved to be killed?

Just as I refuse to deny Hamas and the Palestineans got some agency in getting themselves into the current situation, I utterly refuse to deny Israel's agency in choosing to prosecute their war on Hamas in increasingly inhumane ways that are completely unnecessary and counterproductive.

And I am fairly deep in the camp that Israel has the moral and legal justifications to be pretty damn brutal, inhumane if you will.

Feeding children, again, at the point of distribution as to make it impossible for Hamas to steal the aid, should be an easy PR win. Dare Hamas to rob the aid trucks right in front of starving Palestineans. Does it put Israeli soldiers at risk? Yes. But that risk has higher expected value in terms of achieving the goal of eliminating Hamas than having another squad sweep through another Hamas infested tunnel/hospital/school.

You have to be in complete denial to not recognize at this point a decent chunk, definitely not all or even a majority, of the harm inflicted upon civilians is out of some combination of vengeance, gleeful neglect, and dehumanization. The dehumanization isn't of just of Palestinean lives, but also of Israelis' own sense of self and kindness.

Occupy and wreck Hamas (and its successors) over and over until such day Iran tires of the region and the Palestineans will have a fighting chance to organize a functioning society that's not entirely reliant on money whose sole interest is to use them as mindless weapons.

He should have stood trial for war crimes, sure, but in such a righteous world if every US president since the war and some British PMs and Israeli PMs had been taken to The Hague October 7th wouldn’t have happened because the Palestinians would have had their own country long before Sinwar, so it’s moot.

You’re putting the cart before the horse.

No I wouldn't agree at all, although it wouldn't surprise me if she was a sympathiser and prolly a Kneecap fan. Do you think she sounds balanced?

Nothing as I believe in freedom and think she should be perfectly free to babble incessantly to her heart's content about apartheid and occupation on social media, and I'm free to laugh at her. Props to her for calling Kanye on his psychotic shite though, I will say that for her.

So if she was found to be a sympathiser and Hamas adjacent (perhaps even some of her extended family are in Hamas) the IDF have a right to kill her?

They have a right to kill her even if she fully supports the IDF and Israel. The Supremacists always have the right to kill whoever they please for any reason.

That’s clearly what they believe because they massacre their own civilians.

But I’m interested in what corpus thinks is justified because there obviously wasnt ever anything like 40,000+ Hamas members yet he keeps defending Israel.

Don't forget ethnic cleansing and settlement of Gaza, which the Israeli leadership is explicit about.

Nah you said you'd make an exception for war crimes, so had Sinwar gone to trial and was convicted, should he be executed? Should every Hamas member who took part in Oct 07 be executed or not? Or do you just mean Israelis?

She's perfectly free to sympathise with Hamas, long as she isn't aiding and abetting them or indeed a member herself. No, the IDF wouldn't have the right to kill her if she had relatives or family in Hamas. Common sense though would dictate though that she should give said relatives a wide berth so she doesn't end up as collateral damage should she visit them and Israel target the Hamas relatives. Such are the pitfalls of having relatives who are in a murderous death cult. Wouldn't you agree?

Again with the dishonesty, you know damn well Hamas have used and continue to use the Palestinian populace as shields. Vic even posted vids of them launching rocket attacks from actual refugee camps ffs and of course justified it, while wailing about civilian casualties in the same breath.

I defend Israel's right to exist and defend itself. Doesn't mean I like seeing civilians die and I think Israel should do everything it can to minimise the casualties, which they have been doing. And you know this. Just the same bad faith bollocks from you.

Ok then just be honest and say you think it’s ok to murder every single Palestinian man woman child and baby. You don’t have to say you’re happy with it.

The Israelis have gone into a dark place from which there may be no way back. They've seen the possibility of enacting their longtime fantasy of getting rid of the Palestinians. They and their supporters are already claiming that the Palestinians never existed, which is groundwork prep for a population erasure. They won't distribute aid in Gaza, or stop Hamas looting it, because they have no interest in sustaining the population, only in kidding the Americans along. They aren't even really at war with Hamas, but with the population itself, hence pretty much everything they've done and are doing. And the US president is encouraging their belief that the Palestinians can simply be made to go away.

It is also true that Hamas have no interest in sustaining the population, but only in pursuing their jihadist fantasy of getting rid of the Israeli Jews, which they can't do and never could do in the face of Israel's military dominance. Instead of ever trying to improve Gazan lives, Hamas has wasted vast resources on stupid tunnels and stupid rockets which achieve nothing. The population is only there to serve as PR playthings in the Hamas media campaign, so the more they suffer the better for Hamas, in the jihadist worldview.

I don't agree; actually I personally don't think having a crazy relative or simply being in the proximity of an (alleged) Hamas supporter entitles the IDF to rub out women and children. Esp when Israel dictates where civilians are allowed to be (this is *very* different from apartheid btw!).

The ICC doesn't impose the death penalty, so that's fairly academic. Even Karadzic is still serving his whole-life term in HMP Parkhurst on the Isle of Wight, at British expense, presumably.

Two big reasons...

1) Because moving forces into Gaza is what allows for the red triangles.
2) Because without external support they would have run out of ammo long ago, and thus they have to make some concessions to keep that support coming in.

Right now they have Trump, but given the state of the US economy, Republicans are not likely to win the next election, and given the current trajectory, Israel might find themselves dealing with a much more ambivalent Democratic administration in 2028. Take into account demographic trends, and they might be dealing overtly pro-Palestinian Democrats a generation from now.

I know Germany WW2 comparisons are a taboo in this thread, but on a purely pragmatic level, I think it's tough to dispute that there are a lot of similarities with Israel flexing their military might in the short term despite having major resource limitations. Germany at least had a near fully vertically integrated military industrial complex.

Feel free to pick apart these reasons, but if I were Netanyahu, I would be scrambling for the moral high ground ASAP.

Apartheid rules apply in the Occupied Territory of the West Bank rather than Gaza, and Hamas is not the Palestinian authority in the West Bank. Fatah is. (Hamas hate Fatah and have been known to throw their representatives off tall buildings.)

bad faith bollocks = pretending that history began in 2023 because it enables and satisfies your bloodlust.

Having an opinion is one thing. So maybe you think anyone with red hair should be rounded up and killed. OK. It's legal to think so. But when you start actually rounding up the gingers and starving them then it's no longer just an opinion. People in the media who are covering up for the genocide and advocating for it should be held accountable. Politicians who are giving material support for the genocide should be held accountable. They should be hauled off to the ICJ and put on trial. A branding of the forehead is, I would think, a preferable treatment to what they would get if we merely enforced the international law on the books. If they were found guilty of crimes against humanity they should suffer the same fate as those found guilty in the Nuremburg trials.

Right now everyone carrying out this genocide is thinking it's not a crime if everyone is doing it. It's my wish that, one day, these scumbags will be enlightened to the fact that their little cesspool of fascist bastards do not constitute everyone.