[ClubWPTGold] Unofficial Thread

THIS HAS TO BE A MORE WORST PRODUCT THAN ACR. I CANT BELIEVE WPT WOULD STUPE TO THIS LOW AND HAVE BIG NAMES BACK IT. THE NUMBER OF 3, 2, 1 OUTTERS ON THE RIVER AFTER 20K HANDS IS NOT STATISTICALLY VIABLE. I WAS UP ABOUT 10x MY BUY IN UNTIL THE MAGIC STARTED HAPPENING. ALWAYS THE SAME "LUCKY" PLAYERS WITH THE SAME NAME TYPES IE LIKE WINBETS0125 OR BUSYTOTALS5011 THEY ARE UP ON THE TABLES BUY IN LIKE 5 TO 8 TIMES THE BUY IN.

These posts are the reason I still stop into 2p2.

has anyone been able to cash out ? and what option and how long usually ?

I keep hearing about w2 forums are sent out and they take forever for my withdrawal to get approved and money in hand etc .....

I have cashed out multiple times and have received funds in 3 business days or less each time.

I’m actually interested to see what they do about collusion in the PKOs.

The number of people who are cheating on the site is not 0, and if their security is as strong as they suggest they will have daughter at least a dozen cheaters by now but weather we see refunds is a different story

I've seen a few teams at the cash tables but what level PKO are we talking?

Have now played on all three main sweeps sites- 25k hands at Gold. 17,000 at Clubs. 12,000 at Global. Not tremendous numbers but enough to be statistically significant. The pre-flop dispersal of hands is correct in hold em across all 3, at least to the human player. Clubs has OK PLO probabilities. Global is a PLO nightmare: limited hands, but my favorite, and my last: heads up a cash table. 3rd hand sitting down. AAK7 vs AK77- flop is AK7.

I flopped 3 royals on Gold, primarily playing 2/4 heads up. Small enough deviation to be “variance,” but everybody with zero mathematical background just keeps saying, “variance,” “variance,” without any appreciation or systematic calculation for the frequencies of elitely nutted hands against other elite hands. How often are you seeing half a table connect phenomenally with a flop?

Again, the runway for these sites is likely short; most state attorneys general and/or legislatures are considering action if they have not already initiated the process, and these sites have little reason to provide anything other than rake-monster runouts when they likely have only months left to profit.

The incentive to provide a true experience simply isn’t there; the risk to not doing so is literally nonexistent as extinction is imminent anyway. This is, after all, simply poker for money, and the country’s governing bodies and regulatory institutions aren’t saying, “hey! It’s cool; they’re actually just playing for *sweeps coins*!”

Early stages 50-100BB deep early and they get into clicking wars where A2 stacks off to 9J on a 9 A 9 flop or similar spot where it’s clear the “jam” is never getting though, and they can still re enter with 50-80bb

Could be just bad play but it’s raised my eyebrow a few times.

Re: flopped royals

The figure we have here is 1 in 19,600 hands of hold’em. I don’t know what that pre-flop range is or how big the table is to create that calculation. At heads up, of course, you’re playing significantly more hands- not folding out all of the things that would lead you to that lower 1 in 19,600 probability, and at 2/4, the big blind tends to over defend with rags. Your probability then gets quite a bit closer to the 1 in 650,000 of it happening completely randomly without self-selection. And, like I said, three in 25k for me.

And so you have to ask yourself: when these RNG auditing sites are just rubber stamps, or when you could get any university graduate computer science department to likely do it for free, why did WPT never have anybody look at their RNG? Perhaps it’s because there’s not a whole lot of R to it at all…

I think that's just bad play. Would be hard to pull off in tourneys overall. Cash however I think it's pretty rampant.

Global’s company VGW said they are beginning banning NY State June 2nd.

Do you guys think ClubWPT will act in accordance with them?

I think it depends if the bill get signed into law before June 12th. Global left before that assuming from a cease and desist demand similar to when they left Nevada. The bill is targeting duel currency sweepstake sites so if it gets signed ClubWPTGold will have no choice but to leave since they use that very business model

To reiterate, these are not business models that will survive legal scrutiny. Tell me then: why should we expect them to deliver a genuine, unadulterated product when the financial incentives are not to do so, and the business is going to be destroyed, class actioned, and companies headquartered in Cyprus with a faceless registrar will simply disappear in the dead of night and the principals will abscond with everything they could possibly squeeze out of this little window where they found a legal loophole?

Scrooge, my dude! Check your DM.

Yes the software is garbage. Here's my take on the RNG. I just don't know. The game structure (3 blinds plus ante) is ridiculous. It encourages loose play and big pots. The pot is already bloated before the first 50%+ VPIP player acts preflop. No option to wait for BB, canceled daily log in bonus, no rake back, the ridiculous rake. The greed is shameless. They have more traffic on a Wednesday afternoon than Global does on a Saturday night! They are pulling in MILLIONS. They don't need to screw around with the RNG.

With that said there's that Fairplay algorithm and HSP (high stakes pro) designation they can tag you with. I think that they do the same thing as global to protect poor players. They shave off a few percentage points off your EV in all in situations. The reason I tolerate it here and not Global? I alway find a table with a minimum of 3 players with VPIP over 50%. It's impossible not to have a ridiculous win rate.

I tried to log in today, and its saying I am in new york state and service isnt yet available...

Im in NJ about 50 miles away from the border...

Figures this happens right as ive been grinding gold rush tickets and the series just begins.

I am unable to log in today in Maine. I am in the middle of the state and nowhere near a disallowed state. The error says "ClubWPT is not yet available in Maine" - so the system IS locating me correctly, but STILL not allowing me to log in. I know Maine is an allowed state, and is listed on their website.

Contacted Support (for like the 5th time). Note the "Contact Support" button is broken once you get the "not yet available in your state" message - you have to go back to the login screen to submit a support ticket. Browser login also not working.

Whoa whoa wait a minute...what is this, the thing I've been suspicious of Global using to balance out results? Please explain.

Yeah please elaborate on this.

Played 2k hands my first 2 days and was up 2700bb, 4k hands since and I've hit a brick wall, fighting tooth and nail to break even. Aces all in against underpair pre or top pair on flop are cracked every. single. time. I'm not exaggerating, it's been the last 10+ times. Several 600bb+ multiway allins where I either have top 2/set and a draw gets there, or I have 2 overs with straight/flush draws and can't get there against top pair and a random stupid middle pair. I should be taking down at least some of these, but I've missed out on 1000s of bbs by losing every single one of these huge multiway allins.

Yes, small sample size, yes variance is real and underestimated, but this sure feels beyond that with how bad people are playing, and my sudden and sustained inability to win a single all in where they aren't already drawing dead. It's only those random all in punts with like 22 on the river when I have the nut flush+ that are keeping me breaking even. Wish they had hand history, because my EV would be a straight line to the top right while the winnings hit a plateau about 1/3 of the way through.

I'm about ready to cash out what I have and go back to playing "real" poker.

The RNG likely changed once they came out with the app they want maximum rake with multi tabling obviously but understand that if all the whales lose too quickly the site will die so they rig the RNG in favor of the action players it’s the same thing global allegedly did after they no longer certified their RNG

I just started a few days ago, I've been four tabling the whole time. I was skeptical about getting into it for awhile but was finally swayed by all the stories about how soft it is; which is true, it's insane how bad the players are.

But, if I'm doomed to only break even because I got tagged with some algorithm for crushing too hard, it's not worth my time.

It’s really smart for them to manipulate the rng with the sweepstakes rules

This is the algorithm that tags you as pro or rec and decides which games you can play. Global had four year gaps between RNG certification which is terrible and WPT gold according to others hasn't even certified it which should be reason enough not to put faith in the site.

Edit: The RNG for WPT Global was recertified in April 2025 and assuming they use the same one on gold I imagine it would cover them. This was at the bottom of their website.

I've been running like God AIPF on this site lately (winning TT vs AA, AK vs KK, etc). Does that means I'm a fish??

It's not that I doubt they use something like this. What bothers me is that people gaslit anyone who believed such a technology existed.