Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

Think this merits its own thread...

Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.

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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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by checkraisdraw

Sounds like we might be going to war with Iran soon and we will be happy we kept Israel as an ally.

Isn't it like the opposite? like Israel will soon hit Iran and it will be very happy the USA is still an ally when that happens


by Luciom

Isn't it like the opposite? like Israel will soon hit Iran and it will be very happy the USA is still an ally when that happens

They can be happy and we can be happy at the same time. Allyship is not a zero sum game.


by checkraisdraw

Sounds like we might be going to war with Iran soon and we will be happy we kept Israel as an ally.

A lot of brinksmanship on both sides. A lot of people think there will still be a nuclear deal, and all the threats coming from both sides are brinksmanship for leverage.


by checkraisdraw

Sounds like we might be going to war with Iran soon and we will be happy we kept Israel as an ally.

liberals love war example number 134,545


by Dunyain

A lot of brinksmanship on both sides. A lot of people think there will still be a nuclear deal, and all the threats coming from both sides are brinksmanship for leverage.

I think there's a lot of truth to that but Netanyahu may be able to exploit it. It's highly likely he wants to start a war with Iran as long as he can fully embroil the usa. Nothong like WMDs to make that hpapen - and they dont even have to be real.


by Victor

liberals love war example number 134,545

Why would I be happy that an insane theocracy is developing nuclear capabilities? Being happy to have allies in a war is not the same as being happy about war.


lol insane theocracy


by Victor

lol insane theocracy

can you focus on the logical entailment instead of derailing?


Iran is a theocracy but it's not insane I suppose


by Luciom

Iran is a theocracy but it's not insane I suppose

depends on your definition of insane. given they have the irgc that’s pretty freaking insane to me


its funny to call them an insane theocracy when their neighbor claims they were promised the land by god and are in the process of a massive extermination campaign.


by checkraisdraw

depends on your definition of insane. given they have the irgc that’s pretty freaking insane to me

I mean insane for me is someone not perceiving reality as it is, and/or in general behaving against their self interest.

To me, Iran elites look like very vanilla violent autocratic elites doing their own self interest as many other elites in dictatorships do, i don't see any particular weirdness or madness tbh.

Ofc they are evil and with very different values than we have but that's not madness for me.


by Dunyain

In your thought experiment, is there some limit to how much pain and death Hamas can morally be justified in “accidentally” causing for the cause?

Like, if you knew they would ultimately win and drive the Jews completely out but 500,000 civilians would have to be “accidentally” sacrificed, is that morally justified by your calculations?

Unlike pro-Israel posters who will gleefully follow the slippery slope to full ethnic cleansing, there would be some sort of limit for me. I have confidence that the Gazans are far more united than Israeli strategists assume, however, so I doubt we'll get there, but I will let you know if we reach the threshold. Given the systematic actions being taken by Israel, it would probably have to be in the 4-digits before they start giving Netanyahu some semblance of moral high ground again.


by checkraisdraw

Why would I be happy that an insane theocracy is developing nuclear capabilities? Being happy to have allies in a war is not the same as being happy about war.

You should be happy that Iran has repeatedly said it wants a nuclear free Middle East, and unhappy that Israel, the US and the rest of the west ignore it.

You should be able to understand why Iran might want to gain nuclear capability at some point. HINT countries with nukes don’t get bombed.


for the nth consecutive day starving people were executed while trying to find some food by GHF.


by jalfrezi

You should be happy that Iran has repeatedly said it wants a nuclear free Middle East, and unhappy that Israel, the US and the rest of the west ignore it.

I mean, they lied about Iraq WMD, theres no way they are lying again!


Im really impressed with the accuracy in media organization (AIM), they are probably the only conservative organization to fight back against these anti-semitic individuals while the left has like 10 different organizations that get pumped with charitable donations from medium-high net worth individuals.

https://aim.org/

Its pretty much a never ending eco system of radical leftists and anti-semitism in the USA, it will be like this for a while...

So how are they doing it? Anyone here with an IT or Comp Sci background can explain to me how to get so good with OSINT & OPINT to expose these people?

Always looking to connect with individuals, and i might even pay for coaching even though coaches are overrated!


by 240sx

Im really impressed with the accuracy in media organization (AIM), they are probably the only conservative organization to fight back against these anti-semitic individuals while the left has like 10 different organizations that get pumped with charitable donations from medium-high net worth individuals. https://aim.org/Its pretty much a never ending eco system of radical lefti

Interesting


Israel conducting airstrikes on Iran


by Dunyain

A lot of brinksmanship on both sides. A lot of people think there will still be a nuclear deal, and all the threats coming from both sides are brinksmanship for leverage.

Well, I think we can officially say that take didn’t age well.


dead kids all over Iran right now. they really cant help themselves.


by formula72

Israel conducting airstrikes on Iran

Any decent source on that?


by Victor

dead kids all over Iran right now. they really cant help themselves.

Lol


by Luciom

Any decent source on that?

CNN is reporting it so no


by 240sx

Im really impressed with the accuracy in media organization (AIM), they are probably the only conservative organization to fight back against these anti-semitic individuals while the left has like 10 different organizations that get pumped with charitable donations from medium-high net worth individuals. https://aim.org/Its pretty much a never ending eco system of radical lefti

heres a video of a bunch of children shot dead while clutching flour bags.

https://x.com/Timesofgaza/status/1932894...

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