Israel/Palestine thread

Your BS radar is broken if you don't run at the first glance of that landing page.

So far it appears the attack targeted:

1. Decapitation strike targeting much of the IRGC top brass and (alleged) nuclear weapons scientists

2. Anti-aircraft defense systems

3. Ballistic missile infrastructure

4. Nuclear facilities

--Israel is claiming Iran had taken the final step to complete making a bomb and was days away from producing up to 15 nuclear bombs.

lol jfc

For Victor

Sounds like a rhetoric I heard from some Israeli politician about Iraq in 2002.

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The clear move for Iran is to wait a while for a response, let Israel stew in a state of paranoia, show the US-led world that these people are murderers who act in line with mafioso values and not Western values... even if there are more waves.

The more they do that, the more they will be playing the long game. Meanwhile, Israel seems to be the guy on tilt desperately trying to win the next hand.

I'm not sure what this accomplishes. Basically everyone agrees that the only way to stop Iran from getting a nuke is a ground invasion. I highly doubt the American public will be on board for that.

Israel doesn’t have the resources for a protracted war and occupation of Iran so I doubt it.

Why do you guys always think everything is Iraq?

It's not that easy. Iran's leadership will be under huge pressure to respond. Given how totally unsuprising this is, they will be expected to have some response planned.

1981 maybe. But things move much much fatser these days. Also much much less of a suprise

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_...

Even the name has evolved 'Operation Opera' has become 'Operation Rising lion'

Does this response include motivating another proxy like hez to do the dirty work and then leave them to their demise when they call back for help?

It's all going to come down to what a dozen people decide to do for w/e suits their feelings and not at all what the millions of people around them actually want.

But picking off the IRGC one by one is going to get a little too close for comfort for them so may very well start taking some risks.

I agree it's unlikely to be directly about what the millions of people. The real pressure on the leadership always comes from the upper circles/rivals.

It's very complex. Much depends on what Iran can do, how much real damage to the nuclear program has been done and as always the USA.

My take is that assuming the leadership isn't in personal survival mode, they will want to avoid letting netanyahu drag the usa into this and the closer they are to nukes the less they will want to escalate now. There will have to be some response (a token drone resposne so far) but it may remain low. There may also be some rogue actors who could cause havoc.

Iran may also be trying to involve russia and/or china more. I dont know how possible this is but it's got to be attractive to them. Maybe bring in some russian nuclear people in to help develop their systems and then see what anyone willing to do about it.

How many international conflicts has china been involved in?

And 50 journalists and 20 physicians

China has been involved in several international conflicts and disputes, including wars with Korea, India, and Vietnam, as well as the Sino-Soviet border conflict. These involved direct military action, while other conflicts, like those in the South China Sea, have been characterized by territorial disputes and naval standoffs.
Key Conflicts and Disputes:
Korean War:
China intervened in the Korean War in 1950, sending troops to support North Korea against the United Nations forces, primarily the US.
Sino-Indian War:
This conflict in 1962 stemmed from a border dispute and resulted in a military clash, with China ultimately gaining control over some disputed areas.
Sino-Soviet Border Conflict:
A seven-month undeclared conflict in 1969, following the Sino-Soviet split, involved clashes along the border, including near Damansky (Zhenbao) Island.
Vietnam War:
While not directly fighting alongside Vietnamese forces, China provided support to North Vietnam during the war, including sending troops and equipment.
Second Sino-Japanese War:
This conflict, which began in 1937, was a major part of World War II in Asia, with China resisting Japanese aggression.
South China Sea Disputes:
China has long been involved in territorial disputes with various countries over islands and reefs in the South China Sea, including Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, Taiwan, Vietnam, and the Philippines.
Taiwan Strait Crisis:
The PRC claims the de jure administration of Taiwan and has been involved in several crises related to the island, including the Second and Third Taiwan Strait Crises.
Other Conflicts and Incidents:
China has also been involved in smaller-scale conflicts and skirmishes, such as the Battle of the Paracel Islands (1974), Johnson South Reef Skirmish (1988), and the Scarborough Shoal standoff (2012

Israel actions are inspiring.

What Israel is doing to Iran, the west should do to every single country worldwide that doesn't bend the knee to us.

Let the lion rising be the west, getting it's deserved place on the world stage again.

Dunno but judging the present by past stats is a huge mistake. That world is gone or disappearing at lightening speed

Iran do have defense cooperation with China and Russia. For example

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/12/iran-russia-china-conduct-joint-naval-drills-in-gulf-of-oman

Al Jazeera

Iran, Russia, China conduct joint naval drills in Gulf of Oman

every theocracy is insane in 2025.... Imagine defending a theocracy having nuclear weapons

Putin may publicly condemn this due to funding links with Iran and supplying them with military equipment but secretly he backs Netanyahu. And this like I said before must give cause for Victor to not sleep at night.

Which other country in the West is really backed into a corner like Israel is?

This is embarrassing politically, historically, strategically and tactically. It's like something out of the mind of a teenager who took his civics lessons from Crusader Kings and late nights fueled by Red Bull.

Apart from the usage of "west", you sound like you're angling for a position as commissar.

the only embarrassing thing is Iran's ability to defend itself. but im constantly told like in gaza im supposed to feel bad for a theocracy starting **** and losing. religion sucks and its the reason for this mess. You have to take religion out of state above all else

I get that, but it's hard not to tilt in poker as well. Playing the long game always requires more discipline. This is a great opportunity for them to shift the moral argument a bit further in their direction. "Look, this is why we need nukes," is a pretty good point right now.

As I've said many times in this thread, the main thing Iran/China/Russia are fighting are the US printing press and US public opinion. Iran has already whittled public opinion down to the point where there's no appetite for a ground invasion (and likewise, for Russia and China, it's unlikely the US would commit substantial troops, let alone conscripts, to defending Estonia or Taiwan). Fortunately for these countries, the US has Israel to do stuff like this to make people question who is the good guy.

The US/Israel drastically overestimate the effectiveness of technology and drastically underestimate the importance of morale when it comes to winning long-term conflicts. How many times do they have to fail to meet long-term objectives abroad before they realize this?

It's easier said than done, they call themselves "the Jewish State" and believe that all their actions are justified by a magic book from thousands of years ago.

what did Iran start?

when you talk about "theocracy" are you referring to the Israelis that believe thousands of years ago god gave any Jew on the planet the right to move to Palestine and steal land and enslave the local population?