Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

Think this merits its own thread...

Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.

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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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by jalfrezi

Extraordinary how the tankies are under everyone’s beds but when you actually talk to people you can’t find any.

we have 2 pure tankies in this forum, viktor and karl. And several tankie adjacent people like you and 72o and nutz nutz


by checkraisdraw

Why would I be afraid of them? They are largely irrelevant outside of the context of actually existing marxist governments. I imagine they don’t much hang out on poker forums anyway.

As an american you are right for your country, but in europe it's often the case that center-left parties either ally with actual tankies, or cannot govern.

That makes them very relevant and scary for us europeans.


by Luciom

we have 2 pure tankies in this forum, viktor and karl. And several tankie adjacent people like you and 72o and nutz nutz

If a tankie is a Stalinist then that’s wrong.


by jalfrezi

If a tankie is a Stalinist then that’s wrong.

Yes a tankie is a violent radical marxist (material, old school one) extremist.

You are adjacent as you share most of what they want to achieve goal-wise, even if you don't love some of the proposed methods to achieve that.


lol no I don’t want a repressive totalitarian state, which is what stalinists want. It’s completely different.


by jalfrezi

lol no I don’t want a repressive totalitarian state, which is what stalinists want. It’s completely different.

You want near-equality of income and wealth which is only achievable with a repressive totalitarian state


Telling people what they want isn’t very libertarian of you.


by spaceman Bryce

There’s only one true best gay city in the world. San Francisco and Tel Aviv are second tier cities.

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You're a chickenshit who refuses to answers questions put to you. Clearly you just wish to be offended at something, so when people stand up for oppression of gays, you claim they're just using them as pawns and then when challenged, you run away. **** you.


Netanyahu's spokesman, Dr. Omer Dostri, on the possible end of the war with Iran: "At this stage we have many further goals. I don't think it's a matter of months, but we won't stop until we fulfill the goals we set, or we wouldn't have done anything."

So as we suspected there’s no goal, only endless war to keep Netanyahu out of jail.


For those fools who complain that western media has a pro Palestinian bias:


by jalfrezi

Telling people what they want isn’t very libertarian of you.

It's what you keep telling us.

But if you don't want near equality of income and wealth then I am sorry and I would agree you aren't adjacent to tankies.


I use the words you’ve written to show how you’re lying.




by Luciom

You want near-equality of income and wealth which is only achievable with a repressive totalitarian state

I want minimal wealth inequality with maximal wealth within a democratic society

We can definitely do a great deal more than now and as the value of working evaporates we will be able to get even closer to weath equality. I argue we have to or we are going to lose democracy.


by Luciom

rare case where I genuinely don't know how to react politically

by checkraisdraw

It feels good because it will mean tankie confusion as to what to support lol

by Karl_TheOG_Marx

no, it won't

You have no idea who your enemies are, presumably because you never read anything

by checkraisdraw

You’re not a tankie, you’re too socially progressive.

I didn't say I was a tankie. I said there would be no confusion among them "as to what to support lol". Their primary aim is Marxist revolution in Iran and everywhere else, but in the meantime, in the actual current conflict, they will root for Iran's government/military (which they personally dislike) as they are the ones in Iran fighting the Zionist entity waging a war of aggression.

Pretty simple, right? The actual "confusion" lies on your side as you moronically equate personal opposition to Israeli mass murder to personal support for all Muslim governments.


by Luciom

we have 2 pure tankies in this forum, viktor and karl. And several tankie adjacent people like you and 72o and nutz nutz

I would consider myself tankie adjacent at best. Of course, you're someone who has called numerous corporate Democrats "Marxists" (lol!), so, you know, I doubt any of us are going to take your classifications very seriously.


Israel bombed a hospital in Iran and the state news broadcast in Tehran so far today. lets see how many more war crimes they can commit today.

and ofc it should go without saying that they slaughtered starving people in Gaza. eyewitness reports were that this time they told the people to line up at the fence to await the aid and then opened fire to massacre them.


by Victor

Israel bombed a hospital in Iran and the state news broadcast in Tehran so far today. lets see how many more war crimes they can commit today.

and ofc it should go without saying that they slaughtered starving people in Gaza. eyewitness reports were that this time they told the people to line up at the fence to await the aid and then opened fire to massacre them.

There was a Hamas command bunker underneath that TV station, tho.


by jalfrezi

Britain is definitely heading towards a very bad place demographically. Lebanon style civil war is definitely in the cards, between radical leftists and islamists on one one side and western liberals on the other.

And oh yeah. If the Islamists and leftists win, the leftists will be thanked for their services as useful idiots and then summarily rounded up and executed, just like the Iranian revolution.


by Karl_TheOG_Marx

I didn't say I was a tankie. I said there would be no confusion among them "as to what to support lol". Their primary aim is Marxist revolution in Iran and everywhere else, but in the meantime, in the actual current conflict, they will root for Iran's government/military (which they personally dislike) as they are the ones in Iran fighting the Zionist entity waging a war of a

Somehow I suspect many communists will find a way to say that the communist party in Iran is the wrong kind of communist or is being funded by the CIA or something


Netanyahu said that Israel was "doing what we need to do. I'm not going to get into the details, but we've targeted their top nuclear scientists. It's basically Hitler's nuclear team."

How much longer is this bloodthirsty war criminal going to keep using this as cover for his own atrocities?


by Victor

Israel bombed a hospital in Iran and the state news broadcast in Tehran so far today. lets see how many more war crimes they can commit today.

and ofc it should go without saying that they slaughtered starving people in Gaza. eyewitness reports were that this time they told the people to line up at the fence to await the aid and then opened fire to massacre them.

do you ever post on what Iran are targeting? or do we except that all Jewish targets are fair game?


like Hezbollah did before, Iran is showing great restraint and focusing mainly on military targets.

but yes, everything in Israel is fair game given the type of war that Israel has started. theres a debate on if Iran should, will, or can respond in kind but if they do start hitting hospitals and tv stations and apartment buildings then whatever.

Israeli war doctrine is to maximize civilian suffering and death. why should anyone care if that gets brought on them after they have already started it?


like, its quite obv that Israel's goal, and that of the West, is to use mass civilian terror to subjugate an indigenous population so that its resources can be plundered.


by Victor

like Hezbollah did before, Iran is showing great restraint and focusing mainly on military targets. but yes, everything in Israel is fair game given the type of war that Israel has started. theres a debate on if Iran should, will, or can respond in kind but if they do start hitting hospitals and tv stations and apartment buildings then whatever. Israeli war doctrine is to ma

So in principle, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with targeting civilian infrastructure so long as there is a military necessity?

Again, I am just so excited that the left finally understands how wars work and it only took a muslim theocracy being threatened with being overthrown for them to understand it (weirdly enough)

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