Israel / Iran thread
Seems like this conflict is not going to end anytime soon and is worthy of its own thread.
the argument against attacking iran being bad is north Korea now has nuclear weapons but that's totally fine its their right guys
The North Korean analogy is not a good one. North Korea is content being a despotic hermit kingdom, terrorizing their own populace, and not interfering in world affairs.
The Islamic revolution has always had designs on regional dominance.
Even then Israel didn’t have a problem with the existence of the republic, despite khomeini calling them the little Satan. It even supported the republic during the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s.
It is only when Khameni decided in an aggressive policy of threatening and attacking the US ans Israel, mainly though Arab proxies, that we got to this point. NK has never done anything like this.
If rhe irgc abandoned their ambitions to control large parts of the Arab world through non state militias and to destroy Israel, no one would be contesting their existence or their horrible treatment of their own people.
I fear Taco is gonna screw this up. He should be using the bunker buster right now. There is no reason for delay. Iran is not going to stop their nuclear program. This is obvious.
If he is aware of an uprising within Tehran that will over throw the mullahs then I'm sorry I called him Taco.
If he is aware of an uprising within Tehran that will over throw the mullahs then I'm sorry I called him Taco.
That's seeming more likely as this moves along. IDF is hammering Iran special police, civil intel, propaganda, etc. targets. Those aren't high value when Iran can still launch missiles at you. So maybe something is brewing. If we look at how strong Iran was at thwarting a large-scale Israel attack pre 10/7, with Hezbolah and Hamas ready and able to jump in, to where that axis is today, that's a massive power vacuum and the ME doesn't do power vacuums well. I can see the logic with convincing people to die over their Biblical homeland and whatnot but not over enriched uranium.
That's seeming more likely as this moves along. IDF is hammering Iran special police, civil intel, propaganda, etc. targets. Those aren't high value when Iran can still launch missiles at you. So maybe something is brewing. If we look at how strong Iran was at thwarting a large-scale Israel attack pre 10/7, with Hezbolah and Hamas ready and able to jump in, to where that axis
Also wouldn't be surprised if Russia are giving inside intel to the IDF either.
I don't think enough is made of the fact that it is humiliating for a country to accept being told that they should accept a restriction that applies to nobody else. I believe that this plays as large a part as whatever is going on with Israel.
I don't think enough is made of the fact that it is humiliating for a country to accept being told that they should accept a restriction that applies to nobody else. I believe that this plays as large a part as whatever is going on with Israel.
No other country is more deeply involved in terrorism around the world. No other country has threatened to wipe another country out like Iran has. They may feel humiliated but they brought it upon themselves.
Has Saudi Arabia threatened to wipe Israel off the map? Does Saudi Arabia have several proxies engaging in terrorist acts across the globe?
Also, do you have any fresh Saudi terrorism? Not this 25 years ago stuff.
I fear Taco is gonna screw this up. He should be using the bunker buster right now. There is no reason for delay. Iran is not going to stop their nuclear program. This is obvious.
If he is aware of an uprising within Tehran that will over throw the mullahs then I'm sorry I called him Taco.
He's just weak and forced to pretend like what is happening is what he wants. He doesn't know enough about the situation to try to steer it and he's having to rely on non MAGA people more due to the inherent incompetent, unqualified nature of the MAGA-verse.
I don't think enough is made of the fact that it is humiliating for a country to accept being told that they should accept a restriction that applies to nobody else. I believe that this plays as large a part as whatever is going on with Israel.
What is this in reference to?
If it is IranÂ’s nuclear program, they signed the same nuclear non proliferation treaty as everyone else.
Also, if Iran goes nuclear all the Sunni Gulf states say they will too. Sane people, including those in Iran and the Gulf states, realize having a bunch of nukes floating around a part of the world filled with religious extremism and political instability would probably end in disaster.
It just isnÂ’t clear just how sane IRGC commanders and the mullahs actually are. Especially with their Revolution looking to be in its death throes.
Not to say Iran as a political unity is in any danger. No one is invading Iran. But the Revolution was supposed to sweep the entire Muslim world and take everything back to the 7th century,, and it didnÂ’t really happen.
He's just weak and forced to pretend like what is happening is what he wants. He doesn't know enough about the situation to try to steer it and he's having to rely on non MAGA people more due to the inherent incompetent, unqualified nature of the MAGA-verse.
We shall see what happens within the next two weeks. My biggest fear is he agrees to a deal that only weakens but does not get rid of the nuclear threat. I think you might be right that he is weak. He is all bark but no bite. I hope he proves me wrong but I have a bad feeling about this.
Mongs point is fair. It is 2025, not 2001. Iran is at least a big a reason for all the Arab failed states and regional instability as Israel (I personally believe it is a bigger reason) and Saudi is generally a stabilizing force.
Pretty much the opposite of what someone in 1978 would probably have assumed how the future would play out.
Mongs point is fair. It is 2025, not 2001. Iran is at least a big a reason for all the Arab failed states and regional instability as Israel (I personally believe it is a bigger reason) and Saudi is generally a stabilizing force.
Pretty much the opposite of what someone in 1978 would probably have assumed how the future would play out.
I mean if this is a card you’re going to play then the idea that Saudi Arabia isn’t the largest state sponsor of terrorism even today is still equal parts naive and moronic
As with Iraq it’s more about making a statement with moronic platitudes with no basis in reality about nuclear capability than it is going after the true evil who America just so happens to be in bed with
I mean if this is a card you’re going to play then the idea that Saudi Arabia isn’t the largest state sponsor of terrorism even today is still equal parts naive and moronicAs with Iraq it’s more about making a statement with moronic platitudes with no basis in reality about nuclear capability than it is going after the true evil who America just so happens to
Iran and Israel have played large parts in destroying Lebanon, Yemen. Syria, Iraq, and the Palestinian Territories in the last 20 years.
No one is saying Saudi is Denmark. But Saudi isn’t the one giving advanced weaponry to non state terrorist group militias and creating civil wars right now. Iran is.
Edit: maybe Saudi is involved in the Sudan stuff. I really don’t know.
We shall see what happens within the next two weeks. My biggest fear is he agrees to a deal that only weakens but does not get rid of the nuclear threat. I think you might be right that he is weak. He is all bark but no bite. I hope he proves me wrong but I have a bad feeling about this.
it was fine to wipe out gaza because they did attack Israel, even tho the response was obviously inadequate.
Now just saying or thinking about it deserve to be wiped out too.
We shall see what happens within the next two weeks. My biggest fear is he agrees to a deal that only weakens but does not get rid of the nuclear threat. I think you might be right that he is weak. He is all bark but no bite. I hope he proves me wrong but I have a bad feeling about this.
Lol Trump just says two weeks when he is confused any doesn't know what to do like healthcare. infrastructure, a middle class targeted tax cut in 2018 etc.I don't think he's particularly in charge here. He'll eventually get backed into a corner with few options and pick one of the ones left. The next administration will have to clean up for his mess like last time.
Lol Trump just says two weeks when he is confused any doesn't know what to do like healthcare. infrastructure, a middle class targeted tax cut in 2018 etc.I don't think he's particularly in charge here. He'll eventually get backed into a corner with few options and pick one of the ones left. The next administration will have to clean up for his mess like last time.
I would bet that he does not choose to use the bunker buster. He wants to protect his rep of being a President who didn't get us into a war.
Lol Trump just says two weeks when he is confused any doesn't know what to do like healthcare. infrastructure, a middle class targeted tax cut in 2018 etc.I don't think he's particularly in charge here. He'll eventually get backed into a corner with few options and pick one of the ones left. The next administration will have to clean up for his mess like last time.
Which option would you like him to choose?
Just like him I don't really know. The difference is I didn't back out of the Iran deal to begin with and spend the last decade supposedly preparing to be president.
