Israel / Iran thread

Israel can exist perfectly fine without US support. You may not like that, but it’s true.

It did till the mid-60s, relying more on Britain and France, but it would be difficult starting from now. Feasible, but difficult.

Now that there is no more fighting looks to be a pretty successful mission by Israel and we are getting close to the end of all the conflicts including Gaza.

Apparently the successful mission only put Iran back a few months in nuke development, so yeah, this is not close to the end.

Israel cant handle missiles falling on their cities. they were begging for American help and a ceasefire. they will regroup and try to end Iran as a threat during the ceasefire and maybe they will be successful. but they could not sustain constant attacks on their cities. typical bully that can dish it but cant handle it.

Normal result of bombing, however well executed. You don't get a total resolution at one blow.

Especially when the prez drops hints and they move their shiit out a couple of days earlier and instead of blowing them back years in development, you only blow them back a few months.

Well, at least they're more than a few weeks away!

Clownshow at 1600.

Depends on what you mean by on lockdown. And they never seriously wanted to cooperate with Israel, else they would have denounced the disgusting and vile rhetoric that they have had throughout the span of their organization.

I don’t think it offsets anything but it does go to show that diplomatic relations between Palestinians and Israelis are possible.

Israeli Navy itself called what they've been doing in the Gazan waters a "blockade" if you don't like the word lockdown.

Happy?

I said it depends on what you mean by lockdown, I didn’t ask what Israel calls what they’re doing.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLPvID-P2...

looks like supporting Iran was a bridge too far for many progressives

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/285/p...

Iranian human/women's rights activists have been protesting against the regime's horrific human rights abuses for decades, and have been completely scorned by the greater progressive community, which has been generally supportive of the IRGC.

Nothing that has happened in the last couple weeks is going to cause the vast majority of progressives to soul search over this. If anything it will be the opposite and they will double down on their support of the IRGC.

He was on TV the other day:

So while we can think of plenty of reasons for why Israel would say "days away" it really looks like they were. And that's based on what we do know. Israel's intel could have picked up something as well. And I thought either he or someone else said that Iran would only need about a dozen centrifuges to get their stockpile of 60% up to 90% but haven't been able to source.

We know they want a nuke but I doubt they want it to use it on Israel. That's pretty much game over for them if they do. So deterrence mostly but a huge slap in the face for both Israel and the US if they get there. Or maybe they already are. They ramped the program up quite a bit when Trump was elected so maybe they were expecting something like this when they reached this point.

Idk I guess I’m more hopeful because there certainly wasn’t an outcry of support from the activist community in LA. There was a very small protest in downtown LA, mostly people opposing Trump for going to war unilaterally, not supporting the Iranian regime it seemed like.

Whereas you can find plenty of misguided support for Hamas.

That’s a pretty sweeping generalization. Most progressives I know support Iranian women’s rights and have consistently condemned authoritarianism, including the IRGC. Criticizing Western foreign policy or opposing interventionism isn’t the same as ‘supporting’ the IRGC. If anything, it’s the neocon crowd that spent decades propping up regimes across the region, including funding groups like the MEK and cozying up to Saudi Arabia, despite their records on women’s rights. Maybe the real soul-searching should start there.

You continue to make horrible generalizations that no one has stood against in this thread to their dramatic discredit.

The pro-Israel guys who are still here agree with his racist bullshit.

Hello, children.

Being opposed to the bombing of Iran does not necessarily mean that one supports Iran's government. There are plenty of "progressives" who don't support Iran whatsoever and also claim that the bombing was unjust.

You two are hardcore Clash Of Civilization types, particularly Dunyain The Barbarian, so you naturally regard all opposition to anything "our side" does to "the other side", as inherently bad, but normal people recognize the bombing was unjust AND ALSO recognize Iran's government is socially repressive and feel no need to defend it.

Has anyone started a GoFundMe yet for all the freeway-sitters in America to be given plane tickets to protest civil rights on Iranian freeways instead?

At least those "March to Palestine" people who were stopped by the Egyptians at the border put their money where their mouths were.

Protesting human rights and progressive ideals in America has long since hit the point of severely diminished returns. You might get the USA from a 97 to a 98 on the 1-100 woke scale with enormous effort, but huge swaths of the planet are currently sitting at a 2. You could really make a difference on getting that global average score up.

In short: go be annoying somewhere else.

idk, why do you live in a major metropolitan area when you hate it so much?

The mouth breathers can’t handle a ball player peacefully kneeling before a game. No protest will ever be “appropriate” enough for them.

Well many people defend the government of Gaza as being really good and just actually, and that Oct 7 was an act of resistance.