Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Simple Occam Razor.
Hamas desperately needs to disrupt those aid distribution efforts.
Israel gains absolutely nothing if it is indeed just randomly shooting 1 or 3 civilians dead per day while distributing that aid.
Simple Occam Razor.
Hamas desperately needs to disrupt those aid distribution efforts.
Israel gains absolutely nothing if it is indeed just randomly shooting 1 or 3 civilians dead per day while distributing that aid.
Occam's razor dictates that people get desensitised in war and can engage in war crimes due to this. You have no evidence these were Hamas members.
ya total mystery why they are murdering unarmed Palestinians with impunity. completely unprecedented.
You're kinda engaging in semantics here. Whether it's 50 or five or whatever, firing on unarmed civilians is a war crime either way you cut it. Haaretz may be lefty but I've never heard of them engaging in actual fake news before and from digging into things, they're considered reputable.
I went to Sky News. I didn't spend hours, but I didn't find what you are describing.
right, I a the opposite of him. you sit right next to him on the same side of the coin. hes just honest about it.
It was covered on sky news tv last night while I was having dinner. Here's a report from three weeks ago that I found in no time, so you mustn't have looked very far.
Here's yet more reports still
https://news.sky.com/story/at-least-25-p...
https://news.sky.com/video/head-of-contr...
https://news.sky.com/video/palestinians-...
Latest, not from sky has Nethanyahu & Katz denying the Haaretz report
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-28/h...
right, I a the opposite of him. you sit right next to him on the same side of the coin. hes just honest about it.
I don't think you know what that actual term means. I do think he's more honest in his beliefs than you are though. You pretend to care about dead civilians, yet also claim Hamas are totally justified using refugee camps to launch attacks from, so you don't really care about dead civilians and indeed are probably jubilant at the latest death tolls, so you can further your Israel Bad schtick.
It was covered on sky news tv last night while I was having dinner. Here's a report from three weeks ago that I found in no time, so you mustn't have looked very far.Here's yet more reports stillhttps://news.sky.com/story/at-least-25-p...
I am very well there are eyewitness and news reports of alleged incidents. You were implying there was actual video of the incidents in question. It is like day 15 of something allegedly happening every day, so everyone knows it is coming, and still no one can catch the IDF in the act.
Also, you understand there are no western journalists at the site. Hamas makes these carefully edited videos and sends them to places like Sky and BBC. There should be giant disclaimers next to all these reports that this is the case.
I don't think you know what that actual term means. I do think he's more honest in his beliefs than you are though. You pretend to care about dead civilians, yet also claim Hamas are totally justified using refugee camps to launch attacks from, so you don't really care about dead civilians and indeed are probably jubilant at the latest death tolls, so you can further your Israe
after uprising in concentration camps or slave plantations the rulers would often murder many or all that remained as collective punishment. I guess they should not have fought back.
I am very well there are eyewitness and news reports of alleged incidents. You were implying there was actual video of the incidents in question. It is like day 15 of something allegedly happening every day, so everyone knows it is coming, and still no one can catch the IDF in the act.Also, you understand there are no western journalists at the site. Hamas makes these carefu
I'm simply telling you that it was covered on sky news last night. If you don't believe that and wish to think I'm lying then okay.
If any unarmed civilians were deliberately shot at and killed, while waiting for aid, then that's a war crime plain and simple.
after uprising in concentration camps or slave plantations the rulers would often murder many or all that remained as collective punishment. I guess they should not have fought back.
None of those things are comparable to the current war, this is just your usual bad faith hyperbole. You don't care about dead civilians victor. You never did and outright proved it with your refugee camp justification.
I'm simply telling you that it was covered on sky news last night. If you don't believe that and wish to think I'm lying then okay.
If any unarmed civilians were deliberately shot at and killed, while waiting for aid, then that's a war crime plain and simple.
My point was as AFAICT Sky News had no videos of alleged IDF attacks. I am well aware they are given edited videos of alleged afterwards.
As far as your last statement; every armed force in the Middle East is committing war crimes at some level. Most of the groups Israel fights that is all they do. Israel just fought a 12 day war with Iran where every Israel casualty was an unarmed civilian*.
So everyone is committing war crimes. Now what?
*The IRGC is arresting and executing hundreds in Iran right now, so I guess law of averages they might accidentally find a real Mossad agent or two, which would count I guess.
Occam's razor dictates that people get desensitised in war and can engage in war crimes due to this. You have no evidence these were Hamas members.
Aside from the fact that they can't be war crime because there is no war as one of the two sides isn't a country, desentised people can commit crimes more easily yes.
But people need to gain something to do something usually.
And today Hamas entire existence is predicated on stopping this parallel aid distribution effort.
While Israel, the IDF, or even individual soldiers gain nothing by purportedly shooting a few civilians at random during those aid distribution efforts
So it's all Marxist lies huh? Okay.
My point was as AFAICT Sky News had no videos of alleged IDF attacks. I am well aware they are given edited videos of alleged afterwards. As far as your last statement; every armed force in the Middle East is committing war crimes at some level. Most of the groups Israel fights that is all they do. Israel just fought a 12 day war with Iran where every Israel casualty was an
Iran is run by an odious regime. Israel is a democracy. Israel shouldn't be committing war crimes. Are you saying that all of this is made up and the Military Advocate General are either lying or mistaken?
I can't prove it's lies.
I can say though that I am never going to believe any accusations against iSrael that don't include actions that are materially beneficial for Israel to conduct which might also be crimes for "international law".
Those, it's possible Israel committed, but I don't give any **** to " International law "in general and in specific war law because that in Gaza is not a war
And ofc the ICC has no jurisdiction in Israel or "Palestine"
Aside from the fact that they can't be war crime because there is no war as one of the two sides isn't a country, desentised people can commit crimes more easily yes.But people need to gain something to do something usually.And today Hamas entire existence is predicated on stopping this parallel aid distribution effort. While Israel, the IDF, or even individual soldiers gain no
Germany had nothing to gain by murdering 10s of millions?
I can't prove it's lies.I can say though that I am never going to believe any accusations against iSrael that don't include actions that are materially beneficial for Israel to conduct which might also be crimes for "international law".Those, it's possible Israel committed, but I don't give any **** to " International law "in general and in specific war law because that in Gaza
Was My Lai beneficial to America in Vietnam?
Was this in Afghanistan?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah...
Or this guy's mass murder spree?
They still happened.
You're seeking refuge in technicalities now?
And the current conflict is indeed regarded as a war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_war#:....
Such things tend to occur in wars and armed conflicts, whether it's "beneficial" or not. It's human nature.
And if it's not a war, then killing armed civilians is murder instead of a war crime, tomayto-tomato. Really not sure what point you're trying to make here, but I really don't care about your attempted semantics as it certainly doesn't nullify the point or dissipate the acts.
the point is that if it's about local crime, then it's crime only after a Israeli court adjudicates it as such and not a minute before that (presumption of innocence).
and there is no reason to believe any party at all before that, especially parties that gain from claiming those criminals acts happened.
if instead it is about "international law", I fully reject the concept of it and it's applicability to the Gaza situation.
given that the parties interested in claiming those crimes happened are some of the worst people currently alive worldwide (Muslim terrorist groups, theocratic regimes, and radical western leftists) it's even more grotesque to ever give any validity to any claim made by any of those people which would depict Israel in bad light.
Any rational observer should just fully disregard all those parties +and anyone who doesn't condemn those parties are core enemies of the west) forever for any topic, but in particular about Israel
the point is that if it's about local crime, then it's crime only after a Israeli court adjudicates it as such and not a minute before that (presumption of innocence).and there is no reason to believe any party at all before that, especially parties that gain from claiming those criminals acts happened.if instead it is about "international law", I fully reject the concept of it
The point is, that you appear to be excusing the act in favour of subjective technicalities- it's not a war ergo not a war crime ergo a-okay. That's what I find bizarre about your stance. I very much doubt IDF soldiers or the Military Advocate General have anything to gain by this, yet IDF members are reporting it and the MAG thinks such claims have merit.
This is why you and vic are two sides of the same coin. For him, Israel's always at fault and Hamas and Iran are therefore justified, no matter what they do. For you, Israel are against Muslims ergo everything they do is justified. Both of you live in an extremely dark and creepy place and neither of your worldviews are in any way rational.
The point is, that you appear to be excusing the act in favour of subjective technicalities- it's not a war ergo not a war crime ergo a-okay. That's what I find bizarre about your stance. I very much doubt IDF soldiers or the Military Advocate General have anything to gain by this, yet IDF members are reporting it and the MAG thinks such claims have merit.This is why you and vi
I am not excusing any act. I am refusing to give any validity to horrible sources.
You are simply trying to determine if some events were criminal or not from the news.
How is that sensible in general? And until proven otherwise the presumption is innocence.
I am not excusing any act. I am refusing to give any validity to horrible sources.
You are simply trying to determine if some events were criminal or not from the news.
How is that sensible in general? And until proven otherwise the presumption is innocence.
Now you're just gaslighting. The MAG are an unreliable source? You're not having a good faith discussion so I'm done with you.
Another senior Hamas commander killed in IDF strike, apparently a Hamas founder and senior player in Oct 07
attacks
is Israel winning?
for people that dont click the video, at the one of the biggest concerts in the White Empire, people are chanting "Death to the IDF" lol
