The Democratic Party's Slide Into Irrelevance
The Democratic Party's Slide Into Irrelevance
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The Democratic Party's Slide Into Irrelevance

Attaching a poll ... Dems unfavorability rating increased from 45% to 57% during the Biden Administration.

03 February 2025 at 11:49 PM
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by Nut Nut m

Your tribal orientation is something else Lucifer. Enemies of the "west". Is that what you are .... a westerner who has been brainwashed into a blind belief that the west is virtuous and everyone else is evil ? Is this the same "west" which sent Christopher Columbus to murder millions of indigenous people. The west which installed the Shah of Iran to protect its interests inste

You said survival is the only thing that matters and morality is BS. Why are you moralizing in this post?


I dont care how much 'fatigue' your poor fragile psyche might be suffering from...



by craig1120 m

You said survival is the only thing that matters and morality is BS. Why are you moralizing in this post?

I'm pointing out the absence of morality. That's not moralizing. That's anti-moralizing.


by Nut Nut m

I'm pointing out the absence of morality. That's not moralizing. That's anti-moralizing.

Wow


by Nut Nut m

I'm pointing out the absence of morality. That's not moralizing. That's anti-moralizing.

sure , addressing someone as "lucifer" is a clear a-moral way to discuss.

Did your mom make the wrong sandwiches for you today?


by Luciom m
by Nut Nut m

I'm pointing out the absence of morality. That's not moralizing. That's anti-moralizing.

sure, addressing someone as "lucifer" is a clear a-moral way to discuss.

Did your mom make the wrong sandwiches for you today?

Say the guys who calls people ''alien monsters'' ''true monsters'' ''source of all evil'' etc...
Maybe start sweeping your front door 1st.


by weeeez m

Say the guys who calls people ''alien monsters'' ''true monsters'' ''source of all evil'' etc...
Maybe start sweeping your front door 1st.

Hey weez, as usual, try to read again. Maybe once in your existence you will be able to grasp what's going on in a conversation before intervening.

It's your Marxist friend and political ally nut nut who, hypocritically like all leftists always are, claim to be "amoral".

I never claimed to be amoral, I claim I am moral and people who disagree with me on moral claims definitionally aren't.


by Luciom m

sure , addressing someone as "lucifer" is a clear a-moral way to discuss.

Everything is amoral Lucifer. We live in an amoral world.

Morality is a human construct. A tool to maintain social order and cohesion across large populations.

Large cohesive populations confer a survival advantage. So the citizens accept the dogma in return for the survival advantage.

Humans, like dogs, have been bred for their loyalty to their masters. Free thinking has largely been weeded out by evolutionary processes. Humans are largely tribal zombies.

Some of us are non-tribal zombies.

But in the end, we are all zombies. Slaves to our DNA.

Enjoy the ride.


by Nut Nut m

Everything is amoral Lucifer. We live in an amoral world. Morality is a human construct. A tool to maintain social order and cohesion across large populations. Large cohesive populations confer a survival advantage. So the citizens accept the dogma in return for the survival advantage. Humans, like dogs, have been bred for their loyalty to their masters. Free thinking has large

(1) What is more real than ‘that which persists across time’?

(2) As you’ve said, morality has persisted (and continues to persist) across time.

(3) Denying the reality of morality by calling it a human construct implies that you don’t believe humanity will continue to persist across time.

(4) Based on #3, you are disqualified from truth telling to other humans.


by craig1120 m

(1) What is more real than β€˜that which persists across time’?

(2) As you’ve said, morality has persisted (and continues to persist) across time.

(3) Denying the reality of morality by calling it a human construct implies that you don’t believe humanity will continue to persist across time.

(4) Based on #3, you are disqualified from truth telling to other humans.

The thing which has persisted across time is life. It arrived relatively shortly after the Earth was formed 4.5 billion years ago. Life is tenacious.

About 250 million years ago,98% of life was on Earth was snuffed out in the Permian Extinction.

Alligators / crocodiles have been around for 100M years. Humans just 300k years.

We are a short-lived species. Not exactly befitting a label of "persisting across time".

In order to avoid our extinction, we must understand the potential causes and address them. My preference is that we humans survive longer. That's not a moral preference. It's just a hobby. Teaching people about the root causes of potential extinction. "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink."

In the US, we have on the surface, two major political parties. But both have an extinction agenda. The differences are only superficial.

Do you see yourself as some sort of God with the authority to determine who is qualified to share the truth ?


by Nut Nut m

The thing which has persisted across time is life. It arrived relatively shortly after the Earth was formed 4.5 billion years ago. Life is tenacious. About 250 million years ago,98% of life was on Earth was snuffed out in the Permian Extinction. Alligators / crocodiles have been around for 100M years. Humans just 300k years. We are a short-lived species. Not exactly befitting a

Let me try to restate.

If morality isn’ real because it’s a human construct, is humanity not real because it’s a life construct?

I am an unflinching human supremacist. If you reflexively associate human construction with unreality, you are violating a divine truth in my eyes, yes.

Humanity being a part of ultimate reality is a prerequisite for any truth based discussion for me. But I think you are just a confused person. If I really thought you were anti human, I would’ve already ended the discussion with you.

The point: morality isn’t optional. It’s part of ultimate reality. It’s way more important than socialism and environmentalism.


by craig1120 m

I am an unflinching human supremacist. .

Hitler was an unflinching Aryan supremacist. 60 million people died in WW2.

Humans are certainly supreme when it comes to killing each other. Can we think of another species which has been as effective at thinning its ranks ?


by Nut Nut m

Hitler was an unflinching Aryan supremacist. 60 million people died in WW2.

Humans are certainly supreme when it comes to killing each other. Can we think of another species which has been as effective at thinning its ranks ?

‘Human being’ is an aspirational identity. We are still very early in the story of becoming fully human.

Placing hope in the moral development of humanity is the only actual solution to the problems you’re concerned about. You won’t know this, however, until you are willing to take a step outside of scientific rationalism and participate directly.

Democracy’s value is simply in encouraging people take personal responsibility over their life. It’s not meant to solve the big problems itself.

No political system, nor science itself, can solve the problems reality challenges us with. Solutions have to come through humanity confronting its identity crisis.


by Nut Nut m

Hitler was an unflinching Aryan supremacist. 60 million people died in WW2.

Humans are certainly supreme when it comes to killing each other. Can we think of another species which has been as effective at thinning its ranks ?

All those folks who died in WW2 would have died eventually anyway, so whatever.

Survival of the Fittest, Baby!!!


by geezerchess m

All those folks who died in WW2 would have died eventually anyway, so whatever.

Survival of the Fittest, Baby!!!

Every individual dies.

The question is whether there is any meaning to keep our species going ?

As a child, I could imagine writing a book that people would read after I was dead. I could imagine a quality we refer to as a "legacy".

Children today are losing that quality. How do we feel about the experience of a generation which is losing that quality ? Is that quality something we value or something we have contempt for ?


by Nut Nut m

Every individual dies. The question is whether there is any meaning to keep our species going ?As a child, I could imagine writing a book that people would read after I was dead. I could imagine a quality we refer to as a "legacy". Children today are losing that quality. How do we feel about the experience of a generation which is losing that quality ? Is that quality something

The Earth is degenerating these days. Bribery and corruption abound. Children no longer mind their parents, every man wants to write a book, and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching. (ancient sumerian tablet)


by Nut Nut m

Alligators / crocodiles have been around for 100M years. Humans just 300k years.

Also sharks, which likewise survived the Cretaceous asteroid. And ferns, of course.

We are a short-lived species. Not exactly befitting a label of "persisting across time".

In order to avoid our extinction, we must understand the potential causes and address them.

Extinction is the invariable rule and not the exception. Individual species don't count for much and are highly expendable. Excessive human population growth (for which 'global warming' is a euphemism) is a pretty certain indicator that a natural correction or adjustment is incoming.


It’s quite amazing to observe how many seemingly thoughtful people, rather than admit they don’t know what the grand narrative is, will insist the Darwinian story (which is undoubtedly real) is the grand narrative despite its hostility to so much of what they care about and its misalignment to reoccurring aspects of reality.

If you are going to dedicate yourself to fudging together reality, why would you do it on behalf of the one that is hell on Earth?


by craig1120 m

It’s quite amazing to observe how many seemingly thoughtful people, rather than admit they don’t know what the grand narrative is, will insist the Darwinian story (which is undoubtedly real) is the grand narrative despite its hostility to so much of what they care about and its misalignment to reoccurring aspects of reality.If you are going to dedicate yourself to fudging toget

People who do this will, in the next moment, associate Hitler with the face of evil.

How is Nazism not the full expression of believing Darwinism is the grand narrative of reality?


by 57 On Red m

Also sharks, which likewise survived the Cretaceous asteroid. And ferns, of course.

Extinction is the invariable rule and not the exception. Individual species don't count for much and are highly expendable. Excessive human population growth (for which 'global warming' is a euphemism) is a pretty certain indicator that a natural correction or adjustment is incoming.

Humans are unusually and exceptionally adaptable. There's nothing like us on earth. We’ve already survived the last ice age, when the global population was a few million, scattered about. No agriculture, no fossil fuels, no technology, no modern tools... and we made it through. We probably could survive with even fewer.... thousands, maybe even hundreds. Then, 20K years later, their descendants would stumble upon the pyramids as the only sign left that we've been through this before, just like their ancient books and stories said.

We didn't make it to the top of the food chain by accident. So long as the planet isn’t rendered sterile, we'll find a way to stick around.


Humans are unusually and exceptionally adaptable. There's nothing like us on earth.

This should give any honest person who has assumed Darwinism-as-grand-narrative pause. Not to mention my points about suicide and ritualized child sacrifice.

Darwinism says humans are just another animal of this world.

There are many stories being told in this world. Darwinism is an important one. Still, it’s not the main one.


by craig1120 m

This should give any honest person who has assumed Darwinism-as-grand-narrative pause. Not to mention my points about suicide and ritualized child sacrifice.

Darwinism says humans are just another animal of this world.

There are many stories being told in this world. Darwinism is an important one. Still, it’s not the main one.

This is correct, and I don't believe there is any "grand narrative". Who believes that Darwinism is a grand narrative?

No story, no meaning, no purpose, no value. Nihilism for the win - the name for the lack of a narrative.


by chillrob m

This is correct, and I don't believe there is any "grand narrative". Who believes that Darwinism is a grand narrative?

No story, no meaning, no purpose, no value. Nihilism for the win - the name for the lack of a narrative.

I have an affinity for the nihilists because nihilism is the bridge to the grand narrative. You have to reject the socially accepted grand narratives before you can enter into the actual one which is hidden.

In the place of no external meaning, you have to turn inward and seek until you find.


by chillrob m

This is correct, and I don't believe there is any "grand narrative". Who believes that Darwinism is a grand narrative?

No story, no meaning, no purpose, no value. Nihilism for the win - the name for the lack of a narrative.

Nah, you just get a tie. The Catholic Church has accepted Darwinian evolution for decades; there's nothing inconsistent with evolution and an omniscient creator. What it rejects is Intelligent Design and Young Earth Creationism.


by John21 m

Humans are unusually and exceptionally adaptable. There's nothing like us on earth. We’ve already survived the last ice age, when the global population was a few million, scattered about.
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Humans have survived 3 ice ages. They happen every 100k years in the Quaternary climate of the last 2.6 million years.

Humans did not live through and survive the Paleocene Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) of 55 million years ago as alligators and sea turtles did. And it is highly unlikely that we would live through a re-occurrence of such conditions that we are currently on a trajectory to emulate.

There is something "like us" on Earth. We share a 98% DNA match with chimpanzees and bonobos.

Your logic is so transparently empty.

If we were divide the timespan of life on Earth into 14,000 equal pieces .... humans would have lived through only the last 1 piece.

Bacteria would have been here through nearly all of those pieces.

If you want an example of an exceptionally adaptable taxonomical group .... bacteria are the obvious answer.

Fyi - most of the cells in your body are not human. They are bacterial. Our survival is completely dependent upon theirs.

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