The Democratic Party's Slide Into Irrelevance
Attaching a poll ... Dems unfavorability rating increased from 45% to 57% during the Biden Administration.
Biden and Harris BROKE the Democrat party... they are literally broke and completely out of funding.
What happened to the millions of little donors...
I think people are getting away from this original intention of this thread.
The original hypothesis behind this thread is that the Democrats are becoming irrelevant because they don't offer substantive economic contrast to the GOP and a paradigm which concentrates wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people at the top of the food chain. A paradigm which has destroyed the social fabric of the nation.
In 2024, homelessness increased by a record 18% in the USA and neither the Biden Administration nor the Harris campaign addressed that. Amid that kind of survival pressure, the blame is going to be assigned to whichever party was in power.
The Democratic Party rejected populism in the form of Bernie Sanders who had by far the largest number of small donors in party history, surpassing even Obama.
The Democrats are irrelevant because they have become the Republicans of the 80's. Joe Biden = Barack Obama = Kamala Harris = Hillary Clinton = Bob Dole. There is no market for another Republican Party when that party already exists.
The Republican Party remains relevant because they offer something new .... an authoritarian structure which is willing to let people die. When the herd becomes concerned about shrinking resources, they understand that the world must sub divide into two subgroups. Survivors and non-survivors. Trump. like Hitler a century ago, has the personality to oversee extermination. Teh Democrats don't offer that kind of brutality on the surface. They exude impotence.
Bernie would have used the bully pulpit for the benefit of that average person who feels that economic pressure. Obama did everything in his power to orchestrate Bernie's ouster. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Trump is a wolf in wolf's clothing. I would argue that Obama is at least equally dangerous.
So nut nut when democrats take back the house in 2026 will you admit that you had no clue and were completly wrong, or not?
The democratic party failed when they didn't present an absolute **** of a human being. That's where we are.
The Democrats don't have any functionally relevant policy to address the issue of perpetually concentrating wealth.
And lets face it .... the current version of the Republican Party is nothing like the GOP of 30 years ago either.
Our current government is an authoritarian non Democratic movement which seeks a dictator.
We are getting our asses kicked in the economic realm by a country which is run by a dictator (China). We are adapting and transitioning to a form of feudal dictatorship.
Democratic and Republican are just labels. Divide and conquer the stupid masses based upon their innate tribal instincts.
They are actors in a theater with the same director. They play good guy and bad guy to entertain your brainwashing about what is right and wrong about the world.
That part of you that thinks one is better than the other ..... that's your tribal nature speaking to you. There's no right and wrong Lucifer. Only life and death.
The Democrats don't have any functionally relevant policy to address the issue of perpetually concentrating wealth. And lets face it .... the current version of the Republican Party is nothing like the GOP of 30 years ago either. Our current government is an authoritarian non Democratic movement which seeks a dictator. We are getting our asses kicked in the economic realm by a
You rightfully point out that Trump's Republican Party is authoritarian and moving to dictatorship. But then you say that the two parties are the same.
Do you think the Democratic Party is also authoritarian?
Where did you see their bank statement? Or what other reliable source gave you this information?
I think he misunderstood this
It was a record-breaking fundraising campaign: Vice President Kamala Harris raised more than $1bn in less than four months, during which she strove to win the US presidency, after President Joe Biden withdrew from the race in July.
Now, as the dust settles on her failed bid, following her November 5 defeat to Donald Trump, a storm threatens to kick off over those very finances, after a Democratic National Convention (DNC) official declared that the Harris campaign was $20m in debt.
So the Harris campaign actually went broke, but that's not the DNC or democrats in general who are still awash with cash from donors every cycle
There was no significant opposition to him. While this is typical when a sitting president is running for reelection, it was the first time in my life that there was no significant contest for the nomination when the candidate was not president, and it happened in both parties.
Nikki Haley was never going to beat Trump, but there was an alternative to Trump if people were inclined to vote that way. It wasn't like Trump was just installed as the nominee, even though no one voted for him.
Even if Trump had "no significant opposition," there is a difference between that and simply installing someone that no one even voted for.
Nikki Haley was never going to beat Trump, but there was an alternative to Trump if people were inclined to vote that way. It wasn't like Trump was just installed as the nominee, even though no one voted for him.
Even if Trump had "no significant opposition," there is a difference between that and simply installing someone that no one even voted for.
Not to me.
Anyway, the Democratic vote, limited as it was, went to an 80yo man in not the best health, with her as the constitutional successor if he died or had to step down for health reasons.
Everyone knew that if Biden won, there was a very good chance Harris would move up at some point.
Not to me.
Anyway, the Democratic vote, limited as it was, went to an 80yo man in not the best health, with her as the constitutional successor if he died or had to step down for health reasons.
Everyone knew that if Biden won, there was a very good chance Harris would move up at some point.
Saying Biden was "not in the best health" is clearly revisionist. All through the primary process, right up until the fateful debate, people in the media and the Democratic party were telling the American people how vibrant and cognitively sharp Biden was. Why would anyone who voted for Biden think he would not even be the nominee when both the media and every Democratic politician were telling the public something so untrue?
Saying Biden was "not in the best health" is clearly revisionist. All through the primary process, right up until the fateful debate, people in the media and the Democratic party were telling the American people how vibrant and cognitively sharp Biden was. Why would anyone who voted for Biden think he would not even be the nominee when both the media and every Democratic poli
Joke post?
I didn't say anything about his mental state. He was obviously a very old man who didn't have a lot of time left.
I would have put him at least 50% to die or become totally incapacitated by the end of his second term.
Right now I put Trump at 25% to go before the end of his term.
You rightfully point out that Trump's Republican Party is authoritarian and moving to dictatorship. But then you say that the two parties are the same.
Do you think the Democratic Party is also authoritarian?
The Republican Party is just a label.
If you put a wine label on a carton of milk, it doesn't make it a bottle of wine. It's still milk.
Trump and his movement are like a virus which came in and took over the body of the GOP. Do you remember the 2016 primaries ? Lying Ted ? Little Marco ? Do you remember when they GOP had a Senate leader named Mitch McConnell whose office dictated party policy ?
Trump is a modern version of Hitler. Breathed into life by an economic system which is indifferent to the life or death of its citizens. He is the manifestation of a zeitgeist that wants to destroy the system.
Trump is a satanic manifestation of a mass psychosis. Kinda like the Night King in Game of Thrones with his zombie horde.
Anyone who supports mainstream Democrats and Republicans is just a capitalist zombie. All part of the assault on the living.
Huh? You didn't even try to pretend to answer the question.
Trump is an authoritarian. He is associated with the Republican Party in name because Party affiliation is necessary to get elected to be president.
But the Republican Party is not any more inherently authoritarian than the Democrats.
They are both equally feudal authoritarian parties. They both accept money and those who possess it as having authority to make the rules.
The entire world is inherently "authoritarian". Some people must have the power to make decisions in order for any group to function effectively and survive. The alternative to that is anarchy and there is no example in history of a successful and sustainable anarchy.
Trump is an authoritarian. He is associated with the Republican Party in name because Party affiliation is necessary to get elected to be president. But the Republican Party is not any more inherently authoritarian than the Democrats. They are both equally feudal authoritarian parties. They both accept money and those who possess it as having authority to make the rules. The e
I don't think this is too far off. People are lazy and ignorant, Trump will say anything he thinks people want to hear and uses very effective marketing.
The real source of democratic power imbalance is finance. Entities are allowed to donate as much as they want, so they donate to both parties so we have enshitified everything.
What I view as the straw that broke the camel's back is the Citizens United ruling. Not only does it give the rich unlimited voice because money wins elections, but it has eliminated the possibility of sovereignty as foreign entities can contribute as much as they want legally through PACs.
Given Trump law doesn't really matter anymore anyway. We're far past that point.
I don't think this is too far off. People are lazy and ignorant, Trump will say anything he thinks people want to hear and uses very effective marketing.The real source of democratic power imbalance is finance. Entities are allowed to donate as much as they want, so they donate to both parties so we have enshitified everything. What I view as the straw that broke the camel's ba
Citizen's United is the enshrinement of feudalism.
Yawn.
Argue one thing but then paddle away from it when it's pointed out you're obviously way off.
Republicans right now are Trumpers, authorarian. The Democrats right now are not. They are very different.
I don't particularly like the Democrats or the pre-Trump Republicans, but Trump and his movement is the worst thing to have happened to the country in my lifetime, and probably since the Civil War.
Yawn.Argue one thing but then paddle away from it when it's pointed out you're obviously way off.Republicans right now are Trumpers, authorarian. The Democrats right now are not. They are very different.I don't particularly like the Democrats or the pre-Trump Republicans, but Trump and his movement is the worst thing to have happened to the country in my lifetime, and probabl
You're right that the country is in a terrible state, but your perception is a bit off. Both parties are corrupted through money from the same set of donors. I'll give it to you that there are a few Democrats who are minimally corrupt and zero GOP. So that is a distinction, but the majority of all politicians in DC work for bribes. The problem is most of the Democratic party is just as beholden to the same exact donors as the GOP. It's why the world and our bodies are laced with microplastics, we invest excessive amounts into the military, the war on drugs, ICE, etc.
Elon Musk is a great example to illustrate this point. Until a couple years ago he was perceived as a liberal. His wealth was largely created by neoliberal regulatory carve outs by the US government for Tesla through carbon credits. Until recently, he donated massively to democrats and worked closely with them. In 2024 he switched his public persona to heel and donated a quarter billion to MAGA.
My contention is you're partially right, but mostly just consuming marketing. 95% of democrats want the exact same things as the GOP, but with non-bigoted marketing. The exceptions I can name are Bernie Sanders, AOC, Katie Porter, Ron Wyden. There are a handful more, but not too many.
It's also clear that MAGA and the chaos monkey have broken our system of democracy and no longer have any interest in participating in it, which in my mind is the context of this thread.
I basically agree with what you say about most politicians of both parties, and I also think that Citizens United was one of the worst Supreme Court decisions of all time, and I hate the other things you mention as well.
But regardless of how corrupt Democrats are, they're not attempting to steal every election and turn the country into a police state where any dissent from the party line could result in being sent to rot in an overseas prison.
IMO those two things together are currently more important than the corporate corruption or anything else which is currently a problem.
I basically agree with what you say about most politicians of both parties, and I also think that Citizens United was one of the worst Supreme Court decisions of all time, and I hate the other things you mention as well. But regardless of how corrupt Democrats are, they're not attempting to steal every election and turn the country into a police state where any dissent from the
Right. MAGA stopped playing by the rules because they couldn't win. The GOP were already working towards this with their intent to break the government rather than participate. Now we're beyond law and order. We effectively have a king.
I don't think it's possible for Democrats or any opposition to the current power to succeed. It's definitely an absurd situation and America as we knew it is definitely dead.
But regardless of how corrupt Democrats are, they're not attempting to steal every election and turn the country into a police state where any dissent from the party line could result in being sent to rot in an overseas prison.
You're stuck in a performative tribal mindset.
When you go to a movie, they present you with good guys and villains. But a movie is just fiction. Behind the scenes, the good guys and villains are all just actors cooperating under the same direction. They are a team.
The Republicans are the villains in your theatrical perspective. "Attempting to steal elections".
But what are the Democrats doing to stop them ? Why are they putting people like Joe Manchin in powerful positions to hide behind the filibuster and refuse to renew the Voting Rights Act while they had the power.
A genuine good guy would fight back. But where is Barack Obama while Trump World runs roughshod over democracy ? Jet skiing with billionaire Richard Branson ? Attending a basketball game with billionaire Steve Ballmer ? Hanging out with Beyonce or golfing with Steph Curry ? Doing everything in his power behind the scenes to ensure that the power of a populist like Bernie Sanders
is thwarted ?
If you take a close look at establishment Democrats .... you see from their actions that they hate Bernie far more than they hate Trump.
Take off the tinted glasses my friend and see the world as it truly is. Don't fall for the mainstream media tribal herding.
I think an essential part of the Democratic Party brainwashing is the name of the party.
The definition of democracy is as follows .....
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives
The people running the US government want the public to believe the illusion that we are a democracy.
But the US Congress is not made up of perfect people who legislate according to the needs of the public. Politicians need to survive and eat just like everyone else. And they need campaign support and backing from rich people in order to get elected. So, in order to survive, they do what rich people want.
In the United States, the citizens are not even presented with an alternative to this model. Rich people own the media. They even make decisive contributions to entities like NPR which totally influence their reporting and whose executives are drafted from amongst the tribe of the wealthy.
Democracy in America is a theatrical performance. We are a feudal society which has performative democratic rituals.
Living out of touch with reality is unsustainable. It's all collapsing now.
