2025 World Series of Poker May 27th - July 16th
Winning the ppc is great but they are still like 120 person tourneys.
Two days for the final table should be optional now. The last few years have been fairly quick final tables compared to the really long ones they used to have in the November Nine era.
They could’ve finished this one tonight by 10 pm
Did they make the final 4 it's own day last year? Seems unnecessary.. they should do it by time or level if anything.
I agree. Or at least have some flexibility. I can sort of understand if this was televised on a legacy network and you have programming or ad-buy considerations. But this is just streamed. The TV version can be edited down to how ever many episodes you need, rega
I could see how a case could've been made with all invested parties (GG, WSOP, PokerGo, Rio/Caesars, etc) to let it go a little longer and see if 1 of the short stacks dips out
But, so you understand, Cary Katz and PokerGo don't earn as much from their main revenue source 11 months of the year (ads) OR their main revenue source THIS month (monthly subs) if it ends today
Sure, like you said, it's not "televised on legacy network" TV but much of the ad buys flow through similarly to how they did when Mori was running it for that
Every single advertiser gets to claw back their Day 2 ad buys if no Day 2 exists AND they can still advertise on "reruns" on the PokerGO TV Channel ("FreeView" on Pluto TV, for example) while saving money on what would've been Day 2
Even as a Billionaire, it seems Cary would be willing to forgo additional guaranteed revenue just for the love of the game
Cuz as a viewer, he very well may have wanted to see if this could've been closed out real quick
{And, as a sidenote to what I initially said, the only stack besides MM's that isn't "short" could've easily found its way into Mizrachi's stack since Wos is the least experienced here and losing KK vs AK like that can be brutal on emotions/nerves
So if that happened and now it's Mizrachi vs 2 tiny stacks it kinda kills all the momentum and interest from a programming standpoint fwiw}
Fwiw, there was a time when Chip Reese and the Vets wanted to make HORSE/PPC the new Main Event. If only to have "the #1" Bracelet typically go to a Pro Player and leave this 10k Main Event to become more like The WSOP Open or whatever.
Tbc, I'm not 1 of the dudes claiming Grindr is The GOAT of anything. But the same people who used to call all the shots at The Hall of Fame are the ones who wanted to make the Event he seems to dominate into the "real" Main Event and now he might actually win the actual Main Event too (in the same year as 1 of his PPC dubs). The question, as posed by the most recent inductee during the only TV/Player Break today, wasn't about if Grindr is The GOAT but whether this makes the undeniable case for him to get into the HOF at some point. 👍
They went into the final table and the chip lead had 56bb or something. Its actually kind of nonsense
Point being, you have to run incredible to come out on top of that scenario. Very little room for poker
Two days for the final table should be optional now. The last few years have been fairly quick final tables compared to the really long ones they used to have in the November Nine era.
They could’ve finished this one tonight by 10 pm
If this month's subscription numbers (not just Subscribing to their YouTube for free; but $20 High Rollers "Join" on YouTube or Monthly Sub to PokerGO site/app/TV) were even higher, I could see Katz making that an option for super fast final tables moving forward
But knowing how much money it would cost him to lose ALL of Day 2's ad buys (the most daily revenue they get for advertising the entire year), those $20 checks would have to roll in HEAVY to make that happen 🤓
It’s why I think it’s odd to call grinder the greatest MTT player though I’ll definitely say greatest WSOP playerTomorrow will be the 10th day of the main event. The amount of rungood that’s required to survive a 10 day tournament massively exceeds the amount of skill required. It’s an obviously amazing accomplishment but you’ll never convinc
There's a higher degree of pressure required to play well in the 50k PPC or main event, both because of the large money up for grabs at the final table/tables, and the prestige of winning. There's also a greater amount of endurance required versus normal tournaments that are over in 3 days. There's also a greater skill component with a deeper structure.
ngl i always felt WSOP > triton.
but lets be honest. triton players are legit way way betterthan wsop. most of the time.
so if you tourinly do well at triton compared to well at wsop..im sure we will favor triton more for HoF and resume
HE LEGIT on stream asked the TO why they re still playing when it went 4 handed. he said "why are we still going"
At the start of the evening, the tournament was scheduled to be played down to four handed. Once it reached four handed, I think all of the players expected play to end but it didn’t for some reason. I believe that is why Grinder asked that question.
ngl i always felt WSOP > triton.
but lets be honest. triton players are legit way way betterthan wsop. most of the time.
so if you tourinly do well at triton compared to well at wsop..im sure we will favor triton more for HoF and resume
Triton and other high roller series are the proving grounds for NLHE and PLO, but the 50k PPC is the crown jewel of mixed games. While PokerGO debuted the $100k Super High Roller Bowl Mixed Game event earlier this year, it hasn't yet matched the PPC's prestige.
The greatest tournament player should be one who excels across all formats.
If grinder doesn’t win he will have undone his entire career, nothing left but a carp choked out by a hand sanitizer bottle on someone’s dock in the ICW.
Can someone explain what wouldÂ’ve been so awful about Leo just open shoving the AhTh (Kenny obviously snapcalls 999/1000), or should I start a thread elsewhere?
Speaking of big leads and quick wrapups, Sam Soverel had over 50% of the chips in the 10K 6NLHE when they went to one 7 handed table and wrapped it up in a couple hours.
I'm a miserable person but have to admit that was really fun to watch.
I scrolled back to find the Post you Quoted...He's Gen Z, bro (obviously not you but the dude you Quoted)Also, fun fact, "Action" Dan Harrington isn't truly considered a Boomer by most generation definersThe "Boom" happened after men returned from the War AND the general population felt a bit more comfortable back homeSo most "Boomers, " at the very youngest, would be 6 months
I won’t tardrail the thread much further but boomers were born 1946-60. I’ve seen it stretched to 1965(me) which is ludicrous.
Plus, towards the end of The Main Event, it can be harder to collude with other players to dump their chips to you so that you can win (and various side bet action gets paid). When compared to say, the $100k PLO High Roller. ....... Allegedly
Allegedly 😉😜 lol jk GG on that win, Tim Dillon. IDK why people kept saying that Dillon was Freddie Deeb's son. Tim doesn't look anything like Freddie.
Maybe I'm dumb but what ad buys on pokergo? I only remember the occasional mention of oats overnight as a sponsor and advertising the poker Go poker app or something. I can't imagine there is huge revenue missed if playing on tonight from ads but I could see a loss of YouTube paid subs and what not.
Maybe I'm dumb but what ad buys on pokergo? I only remember the occasional mention of oats overnight as a sponsor and advertising the poker Go poker app or something. I can't imagine there is huge revenue missed if playing on tonight from ads but I could see a loss of YouTube paid subs and what not.
Tbf, you are correct that, for whatever reason, this year was overflowing with ads for their new gaming App (which they may well think can earn them billions like Playtika did with WSOP) and was almost all they featured on their replay clips
But there is tons of ad revenue on the PokerGo TV Channel, especially being "FreeView" on PlutoTV now AND if you don't have YouTube Premium, you get tons of Ads there
The YT (non-Premium) Ad revenue for PokerGo works the same as all other Channels in that it isn't personalized and Cary's team doesn't choose "sponsors" for it
Back of the cocktail napkin math shows why 2 Days will almost always outweigh 1 Day if concurrent live views is exactly the same for exactly the same amount of minutes
(Tbc, I'd have liked to see it end today. Makes it even more dramatic and unbelievable IMO.)
[For those that didn't see the numbers, there were over 100k Live Viewers tonight, which is WAY more than usual for PokerGo Live Streams and is a decent number even for the largest streamers on Twitch or YouTube. So, yeah, OBVIOUSLY, Cary will want to stretch that out as much as possible with some pre-fluff tomorrow. But this was still the call to be made by GG/WSOP and it appears "play down to 4" was what they agreed upon pre-game]
They went into the final table and the chip lead had 56bb or something. Its actually kind of nonsense
Point being, you have to run incredible to come out on top of that scenario. Very little room for poker
For whatever reason, this year’s Main Event played slower despite having fewer entries. End of Day 5 had 202 players left vs 150 last year.
So the final table was at a more advanced level this year at the start, with shallower stacks. I remember previous years when the chip leader always had well over 100 bigs coming into the final table
They went into the final table and the chip lead had 56bb or something. Its actually kind of nonsense Point being, you have to run incredible to come out on top of that scenario. Very little room for poker
For whatever reason, this year’s Main Event played slower despite having fewer entries. End of Day 5 had 202 players left vs 150 last year. So the final table was at a more
Going back and watching coverage from the Gold/Raymer/Moon type years where they didn't have super high denomination chips is still hilarious to me. They'd have to grab like 8 stacks from their literal mountain of chips just to make a standard sizing (back then) on any standard 3bet 😂😂
Mizrachi seems like a tellbox
Finally saw the clip of Leo’s bustout. Pretty punty. The cry call praying for a flip, sprint to the rail can’t watch? Meh. Looked like she hated the hand when she picked it up. Wonder if there’s a GTO case to just folding, saving 2.5% of your stack, and seeing what you pick up on the button.
Great run, but she had seven orbits left. The draw really did hurt her as she’s probably played with Hallaert a million times before. Why not minraise at least, maybe confuse him?
Can someone explain what wouldÂ've been so awful about Leo just open shoving the AhTh (Kenny obviously snapcalls 999/1000), or should I start a thread elsewhere
Was wondering this too. As played I don't think you're ever getting it in great. A9- and Tx probably not jamming there.
You're either dominated or flipping. At best maybe against KQ.
Open shoving you might fold out all flips and AJ, so if called you're up against it.
I guess the rationale is it's ok as played if you're OK flipping to double your stack.
Two days for the final table should be optional now. The last few years have been fairly quick final tables compared to the really long ones they used to have in the November Nine era.
They could’ve finished this one tonight by 10 pm
Yeah, its always been about trying to manufacture hype, but its really lame for the players. First, something like a 6 hour minimum makes sense. Second, if players want to play on, they should have most have that right - the tournament is long enough as it is.
Could also be cost inefficient.
Pretty disappointing FT honestly, mostly because I was rooting for the all-ins to play out differently, but the whole DDOS attack soured the experience, we don't even have footage of one of the most interesting hands, and the commentary was extremely weak.
Also really don't want to her people over-hyping Grinder's skills when its clear he is running very hot, and everything going right to reward his punts or borderline-puntish plays. Things like opening with Q7 and no one having anything, or turning 85 into a semi-bluff in a bad spot.
That isn't to say he isn't also making excellent bluffs in a few spots, but its also a lot easier to make excellent bluffs when everything is going your way.
Finally saw the clip of Leo's bustout. Pretty punty. The cry call praying for a flip, sprint to the rail can't watch Meh. Looked like she hated the hand when she picked it up. Wonder if there's a GTO case to just folding, saving 2.5% of your stack, and seeing what you pick up on the button.Great run, but she had seven orbits left. The draw really did hurt her as she's probably
This wasn't a punt at all. Hallaert shove range is going to include hands she dominates like weaker Ax and KQ, and maybe not any AJ/TT+.
Most likely she was going for the check-jam, except her plan was spoiled by him shoving. Seems like a very reasonable hand to include in a check/shove range, as it can easily over-realize equity.
She is good enough to know you can't avoiding taking these spots if you want to win this kind of event. Just like Hendrix knew the best play to win was risking his stack with JJ.
What odds can I get to bet Wasnock?
