2025 World Series of Poker May 27th - July 16th
So he is another fish who is consistently lucky like Negreanu? How does one get lucky and win a 9-game slow structure tournament with about 100 high stakes players 4 times?
I agree he makes some technical mistakes, most obviously in short stack tournament play, as discussed in this thread.
Kinda answered your own question. Obviously he's a great player but do you seriously think he hasn't run hotter than the sun to win this every 4 years on average? And then throw in the main this year.
When you run that far over ev it's largely luck.
My goodness, the amount of seething jealousy ITT is hilarious. Trying to discount/minimize all Grinder has done as just pure “sunrun” lol. You don’t win 4 PPC’s, which is mostly limit mixed games, without mad skills, not to mention navigating the ~10,000 player field ME through 8-9 days of play.
My goodness, the amount of seething jealousy ITT is hilarious. Trying to discount/minimize all Grinder has done as just pure “sunrun” lol. You don’t win 4 PPC’s, which is mostly limit mixed games, without mad skills, not to mention navigating the ~10,000 player field ME through 8-9 days of play.
lol actually that's exactly how you win the main and exactly how you win 4 out of 15ish 150 person tournaments.
You seriously think winning the main is more skill than luck?
It's strange in general how people think stating facts is hating or jealousy.
There is nobody on this planet who wins the main that isn't absurdly lucky. 100 things in a row have to go perfectly for you no matter how well you play. That doesn't mean he's not a great player.
There's no skill in poker. It's all variance.
Apparently.
As for the instant induction into the Poker Hall, several of the stream announcers over the course of this year's series were amazed that Mizrachi wasn't already in the Hall. The guy has 8 WSOP bracelets now, including 4 in the tournament that is considered to define the best overall player, plus 2 final tables of the Main Event, along with 2 WPT titles and 7 final tables.
So yes, of course, there's variance, but when a player has a performance history at the far, far end of the curve for normal distribution of career results, they're either cheating or expressing exceptional skill on top of their good fortune.
Maybe they should remove everyone from the Poker HOF, because they all must have gotten lucky. Hellmuth must have sunrun to win 17 bracelets.
There's no skill in poker. It's all variance.Apparently.As for the instant induction into the Poker Hall, several of the stream announcers over the course of this year's series were amazed that Mizrachi wasn't already in the Hall. The guy has 8 WSOP bracelets now, including 4 in the tournament that is considered to define the best overall player, plus 2 final tables of the Ma
nobody is disputing he's a great player.
And I really like seeing someone playing street poker having fun and drinking at the table winning instead of some gto bot.
You realize he can both be a great player and have fun way above expectation right?
24 left, 3bb stack, UTG and about to go through the blinds, pick up AKs and that's all she wrote!
I'd like to see one of those graphs like odds to win a football game of Mizrachi's chance to win the whole tournament. Gotta be like 0.01% right before he saw AKs, and not much better after that.
Jungleman wins it twice:
“One of the best of all time proves poker is a game of skill. Over 5 days of playing the best in the world in all games and coming out as a winner solidifies his legacy”
Grinder wins it 4 times:
“Winning it that many times has to be luck, no other way to explain it!”
Jungleman wins it twice:
“One of the best of all time proves poker is a game of skill. Over 5 days of playing the best in the world in all games and coming out as a winner solidifies his legacy”
Grinder wins it 4 times:
“Winning it that many times has to be luck, no other way to explain it!”
so you think his expectation is winning it 1 time in 4?
Wanna take 10-1 odds on him winning the PPC next year?
You are too generous, we all know Grinder is even money to win it next year.
10-1 to win the Main again is more realistic.
To end this stupid argument,lol borg is right about 10,000 player tournament being more luck, otherwise it is both skill and luck. 😀
One thing is for certain
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Kinda answered your own question. Obviously he's a great player but do you seriously think he hasn't run hotter than the sun to win this every 4 years on average? And then throw in the main this year.
When you run that far over ev it's largely luck.
Luck doesn't exist over a long term like that. It's no longer a factor.
There obviously has to be a lot of luck involved in the Main Event, because otherwise Phil Hellmuth would have been the 36-time defending champion.
Tremendous skill gets you in the mix, run good gets you across the finish line. I can’t help think of Ivey losing AK vs KQ all in vs Darvin Moon or last year him losing like QQ vs K 10 post flop on the river after the 10 high flop. Skill will put you there, but luck is nice also lol
nobody is disputing he's a great player.
And I really like seeing someone playing street poker having fun and drinking at the table winning instead of some gto bot.
You realize he can both be a great player and have fun way above expectation right?
Looks like I started a bit of a **** storm. As usual, Borg and I agree on this matter.
I stated I respect Mizrachi for how he plays. Hes out there talking and having tequila and jabbering on during important hands, love it. His career has been fantastic and he obviously has very good instincts-top notch.
However, he could never have won another tournament after the PPC this year and he'd be deemed one of the best. I was saying to add the main event on top of an already (let's admit hes obviously run pretty good in his tournaments) great run is akin to winning the lottery.
Anybody that wins the ME wins the lottery but for HIM to do it? Cmon....crazy luck. Great player, right time right river.
Lol@ thinking that's a big sample size.
Let's pretend Grinder has a legit 500 percent ROI long term in the 50k ppc which is absurdly high. He's still massively exceeded that which obviously means he's run super hot.
Lol@ thinking that's a big sample size.
Let's pretend Grinder has a legit 500 percent ROI long term in the 50k ppc which is absurdly high. He's still massively exceeded that which obviously means he's run super hot.
Sure he must have gotten lucky. However, he also has to have a very high expected ROI in an extremely tough tournament.
I wonder what is the highest ABI a certified boss feel player like Grinder would be profitable at online in 2025? $150? $400?
I'd like to see one of those graphs like odds to win a football game of Mizrachi's chance to win the whole tournament. Gotta be like 0.01% right before he saw AKs, and not much better after that.
You gotta be close. Also getting those pf hands and not someone else in the first place is also luck. He was the only player at the FT to win his all in too. We might see a FT like that again in the next 50 years, might. Maybe not. 1979 is the only close comparison when fowler caught all the gutshot straights to win.
Have to disagree with this one. Yes, he is the clear short stack but having few chips is no excuse for suddenly having zero chips. He still has 9 bb, and can push either from SB the next hand or from BTN the hand after. Heck, even passing through the blinds once more wouldn't be a complete disaster IMO.Even if Grinder is showing super wide from SB, T6hh is still behind. I ran i
He has 14M if he folds the next 3 hands. He started the FT with 25 so it's better trying to double up with the T6 then folding the next 3 hands. As I mentioned before, he's got to go with some crap very soon. I think folding and trying to get one of the next two through is better than calling the T6s but it's a tough spot I don't blame the gambling.
The BB ante makes it 1/5 Million blinds effective. The ante shorthanded is way higher than the tournaments we're all used to is an issue.
Rumour going round he only had 20% of the ME and 7% of PPC…and was stone broke a few years ago. No idea if that’s true, personally can’t fathom that being the case.
