The Democratic Party's Slide Into Irrelevance
Attaching a poll ... Dems unfavorability rating increased from 45% to 57% during the Biden Administration.
Universal Healthcare Dems not for that either
A strong border
Let Trans folks do what ever they want to their bodies at the age of 18
No Men in women's sports
Raise the minimum wage
Social programs that are a hand up not a hand out
Though I do think the Dems still own defund the police
4 of your 6 lines are explicitly identity politics nonsense\
Gonna be honest, this is why this discussion is so infuriating. You guys just ruthlessly gaslight the **** out of everyone while they call you out for this gaslighting nonsense
Then, instead of internalizing that you are abusive gaslighters, you just call everyone else abusive and pretend they don't understand your extremely simple world views
again, you're both missing the pointthey've done nothing to provide those benefits to anyonei'm all for universal healthcare and fixing homelessness, crime and poverty - that isn't what makes them radical - what makes them radical is that they do nothing to actually get it done but then say "and we'll take care of all the venezuelans too!" as they pat each other on the back and
I agree on some level, and I'm starting to come around to Bernies way of thinking that neither party will take on the oligarchy.
However, the Republicans are much more complicit. If democrats weren't around to fight, medicaid would go away and medicare and social security would get gutted.
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it's now a party which is detached from reality
- 8% of americans are convicted felons
- 1/3 of all black men are convicted felons
- there are nearly 1 million homeless americans - if you randomly sample 400 people you'll get at least homeless person most of the time
- 12.5% of americans are on food stamp - almost 1/3 of all americans are on some form of government assistance
but no the party of compassion and caring for the common people ignores that...
The Biden-Harris admin expanded SNAP benefits, campaigned on restoring felons' voting rights, decriminalizing marijuana, etc. etc. You're just talking out of your ass.
Yeah, I didn't really want to get into the social expansions that happened under Biden
If the answer is sitting literally right there in their faces and they don't care to look then thats just how it will be
4 of your 6 lines are explicitly identity politics nonsense\Gonna be honest, this is why this discussion is so infuriating. You guys just ruthlessly gaslight the **** out of everyone while they call you out for this gaslighting nonsenseThen, instead of internalizing that you are abusive gaslighters, you just call everyone else abusive and pretend they don't understand your ext
I mean what’s even the argument here? I think we all agree that if you ask moron conservatives tell you what the democratic platform is, it is indeed a terrible platform. Not very deep or surprising.
No. But someone from China, Africa, or South America that is a scientist or mathematician is way more likely to be in my tribe than a American white non college Trumper.
Yes i can understand that and agree in general.
Unfortunately unlike in some sci fi novels, polities aren't built around that kind of group identity yet.
So you have to do with how we do divide groups today
Yeah, I didn't really want to get into the social expansions that happened under Biden
If the answer is sitting literally right there in their faces and they don't care to look then thats just how it will be
was curious what you were referencing so clicked view post
expanding food stamps, giving felons voting rights, and decriminalizing marijuana does nothing to fix that issue
food stamps are a symptom of a broken system - you need to fix the underlying issue so nobody is on food stamps - expanding it and making it a bigger program is just slapping a bandaid on the problem rather than solving it
lol at thinking giving felons voting rights suddenly solves crime and poverty
and lol at thinking our prisons were filled with people who's sole conviction was for marijuana posession
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-librar...
In 1997, the year for which the most recent data are available, only 1.6 percent of State inmates were in prison for offenses that involved only marijuana; and less than 1 percent of all State inmates had been convicted under a charge of only marijuana possession. Of these inmates convicted for only marijuana possession, just 0.3 percent were first-time offenders. At the Federal level, of the drug defendants sentenced for marijuana crimes in 2001, the overwhelming majority were convicted for trafficking; only 2.3 percent (186 individuals) were sentenced for simple possession; and of the 174 individuals for whom sentencing information is known, only 63 were imprisoned. The expanding number of drug courts have helped ensure that the vast majority of those arrested only for possessing and using drugs are sentenced to mandatory treatment under close monitoring rather than imprisonment.
while i agree that it was outrageous that we had people in jail for marijuana - remove that 1.6% of felons and it barely moves the needle - we still have 1 in 12 americans are convicted felons
Radical how? That poll is incredibly unhelpful at best and nonsense at worst
This subject is so simple and straight forward that you are right Rickroll, the amount of disdain I have for people who can't parse the obvious answer from this situation is so great that its nearly impossible for me to have a rational discussion about it because the conversation is so ****ing stupid
Radical cordie, the way the respondent feels the word can be applied.
It can be too radical on immigration, or too radical on student loan forgiveness, or too radical on LGBTQ123+ stuff, or too radical on climate change, or too radical on plastic straws or whatever the respondent feels the democratic party is attempting to do, that they feel is excessive.
What's stupid about understanding voters in your society think about the democratic party, in a thread on ... the democratic party relevance?
it's now a party which is detached from realitybut no the party of compassion and caring for the common people ignores that and instead focuses upon literally forming policy that declares they will provide free gender reassignment surgeries for illegal detainees and convicted murderers serving lifetime sentences - surgeries which for you or I would cost hundreds of thousands of
i really really really don't think it's the billionaires driving this. I really think it's the rank and file young radicals produced in marxist colleges that go to work for the NGOs the billionaires donate to thinking they are actually going to fix some problems.
a lot of the stats on "omg our jails are filled with people on marijuana charges" was in reality "someone gets arrested for murder and they find a bong in his house while arresting him"
same as the "kids hospitalized with covid" scare was actually kids who broke their arm climbing a tree who went in for a cast and tested positive for covid
How can you say they have done nothing for the working class people while social programs that support working class people get slashed all over so we can fund our domestic gestapo?The 2020-2024 budget vs the proposed 2025-2028 budget is objective proof of who cares about working class people moreYou can certainly support that they should do more, but there is no way you can su
Minnesota, California and Illinois just stripped illegals of state subsidized healthcare.
i think the main thing is we're already spending way too much than is sustainable
we're spending at levels exceeding wwii
at some point we need to make some tough decisions
i absolutely despise and loathe many of the cutbacks we've made - particularly stuff that's very near and dear to my heart such as selling of government owned land and defunding npr and pbs
but we need to make cutbacks somewhere as these three states have been forced to do
The programs cost way more than officials had projected at a time when the states are facing multibillion-dollar deficits now and in the future.
and it makes obvious sense that with so many tough decisions to make, cutting back stuff that's not even for people who are here legally should be the first on the chopping block
this is like being unable to afford to pay your rent to the point that you'll be evicted in a few months and you still donate part your salary to a soup kitchen
Your federal gvmnts spends almost everything on:
medicare / SS / medicaid
Defense
Interests on previous debt
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Interest on previous debt isn't under direct gvmnt control. In theory if you do less deficit that's deflationary which on average will cause the fed to keep rates lower which would reduce it but there is no automatism especially short term.
Defense is "complicated". There are certainly savings achievable on paper, and it's politically impossible to find them (for now).
Medicare/SS are core programs for people who vote *a lot*. That makes touching already existing benefits politically impossible even more than defense.
That leaves medicaid which covers a lot of people who don't vote, so is less politically expensive.
The only politically possible thing is to raise payroll taxes *if it's a fully bipartisan choice* so no party pays the political cost. Everyone knows that if entitlements are a problem then you have to raise payroll taxes until entitlements aren't a problem anymore.
And you can raise payroll taxes slowly, so that the impact is almost non-perceptible year over year. Something like 0.5% per year (half employer / half employee) for a decade. With no additional benefit.
Radical cordie, the way the respondent feels the word can be applied.It can be too radical on immigration, or too radical on student loan forgiveness, or too radical on LGBTQ123+ stuff, or too radical on climate change, or too radical on plastic straws or whatever the respondent feels the democratic party is attempting to do, that they feel is excessive.What's stupid about unde
It’s stupid to mention without pointing out that 57% think republicans are too extreme. It again comes down to statistical ignorance, innumeracy and an inability to competently analyze data.
starting to think it's pointless to argue about the blue party with ppl who would never vote for them in a million years, even if they completed their transformation into the red party. at least rick has a good excuse, because the word trans is in there
It’s stupid to mention without pointing out that 57% think republicans are too extreme. It again comes down to statistical ignorance, innumeracy and an inability to competently analyze data.
I don't think anyone in this forum claims that republicans aren't perceived as extremists by a lot of americans.
While a guy created this very thread to claim that democrats aren't radical enough lol.
It again comes down to you failizing to understanding what we are talking about.
I don't think anyone in this forum claims that republicans aren't perceived as extremists by a lot of americans.
While a guy created this very thread to claim that democrats aren't radical enough lol.
It again comes down to you failizing to understanding what we are talking about.
Less people think Dems are too extreme than voted for Trump. This again comes down to you being innumerate about basic statistics.
starting to think it's pointless to argue about the blue party with ppl who would never vote for them in a million years, even if they completed their transformation into the red party. at least rick has a good excuse, because the word trans is in there
Fwiw I’ve only ever voted blue or green so your read is dead wrong
Radical cordie, the way the respondent feels the word can be applied.It can be too radical on immigration, or too radical on student loan forgiveness, or too radical on LGBTQ123+ stuff, or too radical on climate change, or too radical on plastic straws or whatever the respondent feels the democratic party is attempting to do, that they feel is excessive.What's stupid about unde
It’s stupid to mention without pointing out that 57% think republicans are too extreme. It again comes down to statistical ignorance, innumeracy and an inability to competently analyze data.
That was going to be my next question: Surely there is a poll asking if the right has gone too radical
It would help your claim immensely to post about anything other than "lefties have lost their mind because trans people exist"
I dunno why you are so passionate about this subject, but we keep telling you that your issue is with like 35 trans people in a country with 350 million people but you legitimately seem unable to move past it.
Most lefties will agree with you that they are frustrated with Democratic politicians. I think the issue there is that Democrat politicians are frustrated that right wing nonsense even works.
I am not sure how you fight an endless flood of pathological lies. I don't think Democrats currently know either.
Ranting about trans people isn't going to get it done though, thats for sure. Endlessly harping on the shortcomings of the left while the right does whatever they want isn't going to get it done either.
And you guys need to really understand that Democrats didn't force the NCAA to allow trans athletes. The NCAA was always free to choose what they thought was best as experts on the subject of collegiate sports in collaboration with medical experts. This was a total non-issue for 10 years before Republicans decided that trans people would become the scapegoat for all the worlds problems
It shouldn't even be a political issue and it wasn't until the Republicans forced the issue and then people are just generally so hateful and dumb that it works
Oh, turns out I&I is just pure nonsense anyways and this whole conversation was predicated on Rick buying in to Lucioms ******ed nonsense poll from a propaganda farm
As the originator of this thread, I'd like to clarify my sense of how the Democratic Party is failing.
First ... let me say that I've never voted for a Republican in my entire life. The Democrats lost my vote by becoming Republican's.
In 2012, Obama acknowledged this. He told the world that his policies were effectively 80's moderate Republican policies.
I was a Sanders supporter. He was the only person in the Democratic Party universe who could pack a stadium full of enthusiastic supporters. The Democratic Party was hostile to him and my political preferences.
The US has experienced a malignant concentration of wealth in the last half century and neither the Dems nor the GOP stand against that. They are both owned by the oligarchy.
In my opinion, Trump and Project 2025 are a symptom of a Democratic Party which is bereft of populist appeal. Voting for a Democrat simply delays the inevitable spiral toward a civil war.
If we're going to get a civil war, Trump and Project 2025 is the fast track. Might as well get it over with.
Bernie lost, get over it. I campaigned for him twice. Losing does not mean it was rigged against him. He’s not even registered or has ever been registered as a Democrat but the Democrats graciously let him caucus with them and run in their party and help write their platform.
Bernie lost, get over it. I campaigned for him twice. Losing does not mean it was rigged against him.
You're right .... losing doesn't mean it was rigged against him.
But the evidence of rigging it against him was abundant.
Who was running the DNC during the 2016 campaign ? Clinton acolytes.
The Hillary Victory was an extraordinary abuse which allowed oligarchs like the Walton's to effectively donate unlimited wealth to Hillary's coffers in the primary.
The NYTimes reported on "stop Bernie" meetings in the leadup to the 2020 primary among key Democrats which included Nancy Pelosi and Pete Buttigieg.
Barack Obama intervened in the DNC chair selection, pushing aside Keith Ellison in favor of establishment lackey, Tom Perez.
Nancy Pelosi scheduled the bogus 2020 Trump impeachment hearings precisely in the runup to the 2020 Iowa caucuses to prevent Bernie from being able to do what he does best .... campaigning in the flesh. He was stuck in DC with Senate impeachment hearings.
Tom Perez hired the mother ****ers responsible for counting the ballots in the Iowa caucuses in 2020. The group was called Shadow Inc and comprised of former Clinton campaign operatives. Bernie won the popular vote in Iowa but we didn't know that on election night because the Clinton operatives mysteriously could only find the votes of the districts which favored Buttigieg.
Obama called Bernie "comrade" ..... an intentional slur in pre-prepared remarks at the White House Correspondent's Dinner.
As far as I'm concerned ..... **** is gonna burn. I am not provided a democratic option which doesn't commit ourselves to the world going up in flames.
**** the Republicans who have taken over the Democratic Party. I'm not voting for them.
