MGM National Harbor Resort & Casino (Oxon Hill, MD); FAQ in OP

Slots talk often sounds like gibberish but great work explaining all this Fore, top notch, top notch.

Remember folks, here on the deuce, whenever someone says strawman you can almost always discount everything they say as incorrect, as shown here. Also, when someone calls someone out for stirring stuff up, then posts a completely unserious rage bait post about asking a casino to change their system to save $200/yr they are a hypocrite and should not be listened too.

I offered to help fight the good fight towards full comps integration and was called out by the people that want it the most, who does that to someone trying to help them? My DMs are open, I am dead serious that I will help with this, someone just needs to coordinate, tell me where to send the emails etc.

That would make sense if it was the prevailing norm in the industry. Is it really though? Why don't Maryland Live and the Horseshoe do this? How about other Las Vegas casinos?

Which room has more fun players mgmnh vs live vs shoe vs random low stakes game in a Vegas strip room? I still haven’t gotten any PMs or any direction, so that makes me think the posters on here realized Fore is right and are thinking twice about working to change the system. I get it, people like to whine and talk about how good things could be. I like keeping the status quo (this is the DC area after all) so I won’t move forward unless someone reaches out glgl.

Have you considered the possibility that MGMNH's proximity to the DC area is an overriding factor to all the other things we discuss?

Moreover, it seems to me that if you wanted to see whether MGM's policy makes a material difference, the best way to do so would be to ask whether the Aria poker room (which being an MGM property should have the same policy) is softer than comparable Las Vegas poker rooms.

Although anyone can offer their anecdotal experience, I wouldn't know how to measure this objectively. My assumption however is that there's no major material difference in game quality between Las Vegas poker rooms.

Lastly, I don't know how many posters get feedback on their opinions through pms. If you do, it's probably because you say extreme or outrageous things, but if you don't say extreme or outrageous things, that doesn't mean you right either.

Reread what I wrote for a third time please. You want an integrated comp system at mgmnh, I have offered to rally support with non-poker people that actually matter to the casino but it will be a tough goal to accomplish. If you are serious about trying to change the system PM me a form letter for us all to sign with what emails to send it too. If not, that’s ok, I know it is tough for nits to admit when they are wrong, it’s a common trait among nits/end comps discussion.

Ill be the first to admit I know very little about casino loyalty program theory, but am i understanding the following correctly:

The comp systems are entirely separate. One big (and very plausible) theory as to why they are separate is to keep the whales happy.

However, what I'm not tracking is that this is because of the following:

If they were combined, a whale who puts $80k in spins through a slot machine a month would get MORE comps than a whale who puts $80k in spins through a slot machine a month but on top of this pays 20 hours worth of time rake at 5-10.

How do casino comps work that this is accurate? That seems counter intuitive to me

Based on what you do in the casino, they calculate their expected profit from your activity. They do this for each “visit”. The average of these is your theoretical value to them.

So those “visits” where you play poker have a much lower value than the slot visits. So they lower your average and your benefits are thus lower. Since poker is almost worth nothing, it is like you came @nd ate a comped dinner but played nothing. Those kinds of visits destroy the Theo.

Pretend you have 2 visits. Slot visit casino calculates at a $5000 value so they will give you $1000 of free play to come back. Poker visit they value you at $100. That’s a lot of poker because your rake is not 100% value.

So now your theo is $2550 and your free play or comps offered are cut accordingly. But it is really worse than that because the offers are not linear. With a Theo twice as high you get better than twice the comps.

So it is that average Theo that kills you. Now if you have a mix of playing high limit Baccarat but throw in some some hi limit BJ sessions, those theos are similar so you theo may take a ding but only minor. But your value as a poker player is so much lower than as a slot player, highest value to the casino, it destroys th3 theo and it it is very hard and takes while to recover.

So "amount of visits" doesn't play into it? Surely it has to.

Yes the amount of visits definitely matter. (0+5000)/2=2,500 so that one poker visit at 0 cuts the Theo in half

You are better off with a few big spend visits than regular small spends even if the total spend is the same

It absolutely does. They go off of ADT- average DAILY theoretical.

I still don't know of whales who

1) want the system separate to not hurt their ADT
2) still want to get that dollar an hour in poker comps instead of just not using their card on a day they won't be playing in the pit.

OK so if it's average daily theoretical, then it's possible for someone to lose on average more in a month but someone else have more comps, is that right?

So say on average 2 people go 5 times and 8 times respectively.

Person one goes 5 times, has an expected loss of $5k each time for $25k, average daily theoretical is $5k.

Person two goes 8 timex, has an expected loss of $5k for 5 of those times (same as the other person) but in addition in the same time period also goes and has an expected loss of $2366 the other two times, for an average daily theoretical of $4k.

You're telling me that despite one losing more, in the same period, over the long run, they get fewer comps?

That seems like a batshit system but as I said they're smarter than I am.

I simplified it a bit. At each site can tweak their exact math. For example more are beginning to use actual loss in calcs for comps. But in g3neral, yes the system can appear bat***** crazy.

Hi anyone know the rake for 1/3 and 2/5 NLHE? I saw earlier posts say 10% max $6 rake + $3 promo, but that seemed to be for PLO

Also is security still an issue, should we be careful going to ubers and stuff?

Confirmed 6+3 on the 1/3 game.

Since this thread by its nature has a negativity bias, I want to highlight two genuinely positive developments:

First, the addition of new USB chargers at the tables. Impressively, they include both USB-A and USB-C ports, so good job MGM!

Second, it looks like work is underway to reopen Snacks. If it were up to me, I’d focus on doing a few things well rather than a lot of things done poorly. Besides quality, this will also speed up service which is pretty important.

And there’s no shame in stocking some ready-made items - sandwiches, chips, candy bars.

Those are very welcome bits of information!

A little confused. Somone said earlier this year that rake on plo is 6+0. Now someone said that rake is 6+3. Which is it? What is the rake for 1-2 plo game?

The 1-2 five card games are six plus 0. The +3 is just for games that take jackpot drop (1-3 NL hold em, 2-5 NL hold em and 4-8 limit hold em).

Thank you. I didn't figure that they were running promos for 5c, but post 8986 said differently so just making sure.

Still be nice to have time but i guess Parx has spoiled me there.

Does anyone know what is going on with the parking garage changes?

What changes?

Im here now and not noticed anything other than it being super busy

The exit to P3 garage has had new curbs installed that block egress from the spots that are closest to the exit. I'm also pretty sure a new center divider curb has been installed near the entrance with what look to be electrical lines that could power swinging parking gate arms.

I've heard but not seen that P4 has also been modified.

Apparently they are getting rid of all lockboxes. Really trying to make themselves the epicenter of casino robberies lmao.

They are just replacing them with electronic deposits. You will have an account balance at a cage at the property - where you just go up - give them your ID - and they will keep your money on a computer file. Would be a major mess if the system got hacked - but that's what they are doing - it's called front money. I wouldn't keep more than 10-30k on it depending on the stakes you play because it's new, and I just always envision the worst at MGM.