Israel/Palestine thread

it was the outcome of the Biden presidency. maybe you forgot.

now? like, just now? you arent wiping that stink away.

this seems pretty contradictory

pretty sure fighting back against the people that you just admitted want to do genocide is a pretty good response, if not the best action.

well, mabe these guys shouldnt have fought back. just 47 out of like 600 survived.

ofc I never claimed that.

But only one side consists of people who have gathered in the territory from other continents precisely for that purpose.

They were openly doing war crimes during the Biden admin, as several posters here pointed out at the time.

Then the Democrats are just incredible at marketing (lol) because the whole world thinks the situation is worse under Trump than it was under Biden

(except for 4-5 fully enlightened posters on 2+2 of course)

Better late than never?

By 'the whole world', you mean of course you.

In November of 2024 Al Jazeera wrote about Trump "not being worse for Palestine" because he would just "keep the same policies"

Except now Trump is blatantly anti-hamas, has outright rejected a 2 state solution, and is saying they will hunt down all Hamas members, ethnically cleanse the area, and hand it back to Israel for a price.

Whoops!

What policies has he actually implemented that you think made a huge difference? Israel was blowing up hospitals/schools/refugee camps, suspending aid shipments, openly performing ethnic cleansing, etc. etc. during the Biden admin.

I think Trump is worse than Biden in the sense that maybe we'd be at 56,000 officially dead instead of 59,000, but pretending that things would be massively better is a joke.

Anyway, didn't you famously tell us you'd be fine with millions of people in Yemen being bombed and terrorized? It seems like bad faith for you to be clutching pearls now.

Just how has Trump policy differed from Biden's? Biden provided full military resupply.

Trump words things more crudely, but it's the same policy.

Biden was subtly anti-Hamas? Oh come on. He was as subtle as the bunker busters he sent.

I dont think its a certainty that Biden would be starving Gaza as much as Trump. He seemed content to let in a trickle of trucks. ofc, there would not have been a nearly 2 month ceasefire either.

regardless, at this point, both presidents and parties and their supporters own this.

I've distinctly never clutched pearls on this subject. My stance is about as pragmatic as one can get; that if I/P roles were reversed we'd be in the exact same situation, which makes the current reality an inevitability over an avoidable tragedy. I just think its funny that Trump has aligned his messaging as a 95% overlap to Netanyahu, and probably encouraged Netanyahu to go on the ****ing Nelk boys, to the point that Conservative support for Israel is higher today than a year ago, and you guys think this is essentially exactly the same as Biden.

At the very least, condemnation of Israel would be fully bi-partisan in the US, which is a big deal. I'm not sure if any of us have specific insight into the level of funding going to Israel Biden vs Trump either.

This headline is interesting for the shift it shows in Trump's response to a roused world opinion, not for an honest portrait of his policy.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/28/trump-acknowledges-real-starvation-in-gaza-and-tells-israel-to-let-in-every-ounce-of-food

the Guardian

Trump acknowledges ‘real starvation’ in Gaza and tells Israel to let in ‘every ounce of food’

Biden has made no such statement.

01-19-2024:

damn, why did trump do this?

probably unrelated: just saw a story about how the dems have hit their lowest approval rating in 35 years. i blame the most powerful man in america, victor.

ok so i guess "might is right" and the native americans shouldn't have resisted their colonizers, ukraine shouldn't resist russia, no american should resist trump, a victim shouldn't resist their rapist, etc. good point, man

you are using a fake genocide to diminish a real one.

Yeah its like:

"They are bombing buildings with civilians in them because Hamas intentionally sets up their command centers intertwined with civilian infrastructure" terrorism

vs

"They are intentionally starving children and using the testicles of living people for target practice" terrorism

I'm not even a Democrat

Oct 7 was a very stupid thing to do

damn, i miss the "good" terrorism... :(

right Im sure if the just asked nicely the society where 95% of people support genocide would have just been like ok lets lift the blockade and grant human rights and sovereignty.

I just said I don't think that's the case.

What? Are Biden and Kamala condemning Israel right now? Joe gave Bibi unqualified support when it was plainly obvious that the IDF was committing war crimes. Again, what specific policy do you think is the difference between the Trump and Biden admins on Gaza?

The only thing that's changed in the past 6 months is more evidence is piling up and it's increasingly difficult for the IDF to make up fairy tales about hidden underground bunkers when they're shooting women and children lining up for aid. Raffi, Mets, Boids, and most of the pro-IDF guys have quietly walked away from the thread, they'll tell their kids they were always against this from the start.

I think that saying that "Palestinian deaths would be 5% lower under Biden" is saying that things would 'essentially' be the same

Biden and Kamala aren't saying anything right now. Nobody is even clamoring for them to say anything. I think its fair to say their political careers are over at this point.

Dems have nobody right now, which is probably why their approval is in the shitter

Well the interesting thing about the Nelk interview with Netanyahu…. Is that they were criticized vehemently by their own supporters, it was a disaster. One can look at the comments section of that video and see it is overwhelmingly criticism of Netanyahu and what people called a softball interview. …Nelk had to do basically a PR cleanup and the very next day bring on MyronGainesX and other critics of Israeli policy.

But also since the war in Gaza huge numbers of young Republicans have come out against the Israeli policy. It’s marking a big-time shift from our previous generations of Republicans voters supported Israel in
their various conflict.

So what we have here is a generational gap where you have the Mark Levin/Sean Hannity Republicans supporting Israel. And the younger crowd, the people who follow Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson are not supporting Israel. There’s obviously plenty more influencers involved, but those four names are some of the biggest ones with millions and millions of followers involved in this topic. And of course plenty of people don’t follow any of them and just come to their own conclusion about supporting Israel or not.

On the surface it does seem like Trump is more pro Israel than Biden. But it doesn’t make much of a difference to your point I would say they both are very supportive of Israel and disregard what the American citizens have to say about the issue.

What many would say is that most of the US government is pro-Israel. Most of the congressmen and senators with exception to ironically people like Republicans Marjorie Green and Thomas Massey. Green is obviously a Maga Republican while Massey is more of a Traditional conservative who doesn’t like to spend unnecessarily.

If you look at the past few years of bills in favor of funding the iron dome, there was actually some of those bills that were approved and supported by the squad. People like AOC and Omar, who are accused of being vehemently pro Palestine even supported those measures. The only types of Republicans and politicians in general who opposed those types of bills have been Marjorie Greene and Thomas Massey

So there is clearly a divide between the American people and the politicians when it comes to Israel’s war and Gaza and how taxpayer dollars are going to fund this war.

I am on phone, so not my most complete post. That being said, most common people are dumb and low information. so all else being equal if there is a divide between the American people and the political class, and MJT and Omar are on the side of the people, I am pretty comfortable saying the political class are the correct side to go with.