Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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The Green beret guy never filed any report or took any evidence of these so called crimes. Just as this has supposedly been going on for weeks on end (IDF soldiers killing civilians in food lines) and no one has been able to film any of it.As opposed to when this kind of stuff really happens and video evidence comes out very quickly. (See the recent flare up in Syria and Thai
theres a ton of video evidence and corroboration for what this guy claims. that said, hes a grifter and a war criminal so screw him.
theres a ton of video evidence and corroboration for what this guy claims. that said, hes a grifter and a war criminal so screw him.
So you have been assuring me for almost 2 years, never showing any evidence. In 5 minutes of searching I could find an unedited video of a Hamas or HTS militant deliberately shooting/murdering a civlian at point blank, where the militant and victim is actually in frame; and yet you could never do the same when it comes to an IDF soldier.
Look at my number of posts; I've only posted about half a dozen on this thread. You have no logical reason to come to that conclusion, hence the totally unwarranted ad hominem.
All your questions are aimed at undermining criticism of Israel. Nothing in the other direction. You are transparent.
So you have been assuring me for almost 2 years, never showing any evidence. In 5 minutes of searching I could find an unedited video of a Hamas or HTS militant deliberately shooting/murdering a civlian at point blank, where the militant and victim is actually in frame; and yet you could never do the same when it comes to an IDF soldier.
HTS is your team bro
I'll be curious when I read objections to UK/France/etc recognising Palestine from the Palestinian community.
I'm not curious about your curiosity
A homeland has been offered multiple times to the Palestinians; It's been rejected multiple times since the Palestinians don't want to live with Israel. Why would it be any different this time around?
You cherry-picked your favourite bit there, didn't you? That's not all I said about the possibility of aid trucks being stopped.
Why should I care about your uninformed speculation about things you openly admit you're ignorant about?
All your questions are aimed at undermining criticism of Israel. Nothing in the other direction. You are transparent.
I think neither side has the absolute moral high ground, but I'm certainly in favour of Israel doing all it can to stop the genocide being perpetrated against it. Israel does not have the annihilation of Palestinians as part of its constitution, while Hamas is committed to annihilating the jews as its mandate. How is that defensible?
I Israel does not have the annihilation of Palestinians as part of its constitution, while Hamas is committed to annihilating the jews as its mandate.
Quote from the current charter.
Why should I care about your uninformed speculation about things you openly admit you're ignorant about?
I was responding to a claim upthread that Israel was blocking food trucks to the Palestinians. The individual who made the claim didn't flesh out his reasons for coming to those conclusions, so my response was limited.
If Hamas agrees to a permanent ceasefire, then the aid has a better chance of reaching those who need it. It looks to me that Hamas is fighting on to the last starving child. As long as Hamas is still fighting and still has Israeli captives, the war goes on. The hunger is attributable to Hamas, not Israel.
If Hamas agrees to a permanent ceasefire, then the aid has a better chance of reaching those who need it.
The aid would have a better chance of getting through if the IDF didn't prevent aid from reaching starving children.
Yeah we get it. Israel has no responsibility for the horrors being inflicted on gaza etc etc etc. None at all all.
International bodies dont agree with you. Most unlikely the court will agree with you but please feel free to test it.
I was responding to a claim upthread that Israel was blocking food trucks to the Palestinians. The individual who made the claim didn't flesh out his reasons for coming to those conclusions, so my response was limited. If Hamas agrees to a permanent ceasefire, then the aid has a better chance of reaching those who need it. It looks to me that Hamas is fighting on to the last
Hamas did agree to a ceasefire. Maybe you forgot.
On the Destruction of Israel:
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'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will
obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)
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The 2017 charter does not effectively supplant this and appears to be demonstrated as still effective since the October 7th 2023 attack on Israel was an attack on the Jewish people, not just Israel as a state.
The aid would have a better chance of getting through if the IDF didn't prevent aid from reaching starving children.
If the fighting permanently stops, the hostages are released and peace prevails, the Palestinians have a better chance of aid getting through to them. That's common sense.
If you can provide some sources that the fighting is permanently over between Hamas and the IDF, I'll believe it; however, there are still hostages unaccounted for.
I'm wondering just how much Hamas can be taken seriously when it comes to cease-fires.
there was a deal to return the genocidal POWs. Israel broke the deal bc they wanted to slaughter more children.
Arab countries call for Hamas to disarm and relinquish power.
Vic and his tankie mates immediately start crying and stage a peaceful protest where bricks are thrown.
there was a deal to return the genocidal POWs. Israel broke the deal bc they wanted to slaughter more children.
Arab countries, The UN, Nato and the entire world population plead with victor to change his effin script and engage in new material. Vic responds with "Never! There's dead babies to exploit!"
If the fighting permanently stops, the hostages are released and peace prevails, the Palestinians have a better chance of aid getting through to them. That's common sense.
Lol if you’re looking to have a meaningful discussion grounded in common sense, you came to the wrong place bud.
A homeland has been offered multiple times to the Palestinians; It's been rejected multiple times...
No it hasn't. Israeli policy has always been premised on the seizure of Palestinian land and, as a pretext for this, the denial of the existence of any such people as the Palestinians, so that, once they are finally 'disappeared', an aim which the Israelis are increasingly blatant about, the Israelis can put their hands in their pockets and walk away whistling and claim that nothing happened.
The 'rejection' you mention probably relates to Arafat's rejection of Israel's proposal to annexe East Jerusalem as part of Clinton's supposed deal, which Clinton wanted to promote for vanity and 'legacy' reasons. Since Jerusalem is the Palestinian capital, this proposal was obviously a performance for Clinton's benefit and was intended to be rejected, because the Israelis will never accept a Palestinian state except at gunpoint. And, with Israel's catastrophic loss of political and moral credibility over the Gaza war, and the need of Western democracies to respond to their multiracial voters' revulsion at what Israel is doing, it may even come to that. At present France is going to recognise Palestine and the UK, despite imposing time-limited conditions for internal political reasons, is likely to follow. That would be two of the five permanent UNSC members.
If the fighting permanently stops, the hostages are released and peace prevails, the Palestinians have a better chance of aid getting through to them. That's common sense.
OK but what if the IDF just decided to not starve women and children to death.
Yeah we get it. Israel has no responsibility for the horrors being inflicted on gaza etc etc etc. None at all all.
If that's directed at me, let me explain my viewpoint a little better. I'm not Jewish, I'm not Israeli, I'm not religious, at least not in the traditional sense, and I'm from the UK. I'm pro-peace and pro-Islamic enlightenment. I think the Palestinians are the most manipulated and controlled people in the World; I'd like that to stop and for peace to prevail. Is that so bad?
If the fighting permanently stops, the hostages are released and peace prevails, the Palestinians have a better chance of aid getting through to them. That's common sense.
Cessation of fighting will necessitate Israel observing ceasefire agreements, which has been the problem so far.
Arab countries call for Hamas to disarm and relinquish power.
Vic and his tankie mates immediately start crying and stage a peaceful protest where bricks are thrown.Arab countries, The UN, Nato and the entire world population plead with victor to change his effin script and engage in new material. ViWelcome back to the thread, genocide salivator.
