Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Especially when you've seen their recent posts in the (obviously guilty as sin) Amanda Knox thread.
On the Destruction of Israel:-----------------------------'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam willobliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)__________________The 2017 charter does not effectively supplant this and appears to be demonstrated as still effective since the October 7th 2023 attack on Israel was an attack on the J
Nice try, slipping in the 1983 charter with built-in denial.
What if Israel just decided to let itself and 9.5 million civilians be annihilated? Would that make you feel better?
Starvation is symptomatic of war. This phase of the ongoing Israel/Palestine saga was initiated by Hamas, Hezbollah and probably Iran, not Israel. It's historically normal for Israel to respond with force when faced with potential extermination; Hamas would have known this.
The actions of Hamas coordinated with Hezbollah on 7th October 2023 were a clear indication that the original Hamas ideal of the destruction of Israel and the inevitable massacre of innocent Jewish civilians is still effective by their own actions.
What if Israel just decided to let itself and 9.5 million civilians be annihilated? Would that make you feel better?
I don't think giving food to starving children will result in the annihilation of Israel.
Especially when you've seen their recent posts in the (obviously guilty as sin) Amanda Knox thread.
Ah. Is that still going? I see it is, and another poster said:--
That being said that TGcomments guy, now thats a really weird dude.
Also he calls her 'Amanda', never a good sign, and the 2+2 poll resulted in a plurality for 'guilty as can be and should be found guilty', and if you've read the report by the Italian Supreme Court panel that acquitted her, you'll wonder why on earth they did that, because it makes her guilt pretty plain.
If that's directed at me, let me explain my viewpoint a little better. I'm not Jewish, I'm not Israeli, I'm not religious, at least not in the traditional sense, and I'm from the UK. I'm pro-peace and pro-Islamic enlightenment. I think the Palestinians are the most manipulated and controlled people in the World; I'd like that to stop and for peace to prevail. Is that so bad
So you've got it all figured out. Why the pretense of an unbiased neophyte?
Ah. Is that still going? I see it is, and another poster said:--
Also he calls her 'Amanda', never a good sign, and the 2+2 poll resulted in a plurality for 'guilty as can be and should be found guilty', and if you've read the report by the Italian Supreme Court panel that acquitted her, you'll wonder why on earth they did that, because it makes her guilt pretty plain.
He's from that loopy ISF cesspit and came over to the Knox sub reddit with his groupie mates because "Might be fun", then they and their alt accounts downvoted the regs who had proper discussions re the case. Then he very recently came to the Knox thread on OOT, years late to the party and tried to resurrect that by rehashing stuff that was already discussed. Still doesn't seem to accept Innocent Amanda's slander conviction being upheld and claims she can still go to the ECHR, only she doesn't need to re-apply cuz she's special. I had many discussions with him on reddit and he'd give 239 a run for his money for very deliberately to stymie debate. I have him blocked on reddit and on ignore here. He's a waste of time and space and energy.
You are an Orientalist. You see a huge dichotomy between the enlightened west and the primitive east, even though it's the opposite as measured by body count.
Your comments follow an old script.
If that's directed at me, let me explain my viewpoint a little better. I'm not Jewish, I'm not Israeli, I'm not religious, at least not in the traditional sense, and I'm from the UK. I'm pro-peace and pro-Islamic enlightenment. I think the Palestinians are the most manipulated and controlled people in the World; I'd like that to stop and for peace to prevail. Is that so bad
None of which absolves Israel of responsibility for the horror being infleicted on gaza.
Blimey, that takes me back. Good old always-wrong 239. And his great forensic guilter antagonist henry 17, with the improbable five college degrees that turned out to be perfectly real (like henry's beautiful girlfriend Poker Reference and his huge earnings from sports betting). Good times.
Blimey, that takes me back. Good old always-wrong 239. And his great forensic guilter antagonist henry 17, with the improbable five college degrees that turned out to be perfectly real (like henry's beautiful girlfriend Poker Reference and his huge earnings from sports betting). Good times.
I meant to say run for his money in terms of brazen dishonesty which is very deliberate, but somehow messed the post up, but I reckon you got the gyst. 😉
Well well well! Our anti Israel guys aren't gonna like this.
Well well well! Our anti Israel guys aren't gonna like this.
Britain also calls for Hamas to be dissolved and won't accept it as representing Palestine. I think this is the general international view.
Even in the usa, the damage netanyahu has done to israel is very dramatic
Netanyahu Rated Unfavorably by Majority of Americans for First Time
Fifty-two percent of Americans now view Benjamin Netanyahu unfavorably, his highest unfavorable rating since 1997. His favorable rating stands at 29%, while 19% of U.S. adults have no opinion of him.
Until December 2023, Americans viewed Netanyahu more positively than negatively, except in 1997, when he was less well known. In the December 2023 poll, Netanyahu’s unfavorable rating far outpaced his 33% favorable rating, with the current poll showing a continued deterioration in his image.
Netanyahu’s unfavorable rating has roughly doubled since 2019, the last reading before the start of the current conflict. The increase in unfavorability has been accompanied by roughly equal decreases in his favorable rating (down 11 points) and the percentage with no opinion of the Israeli leader (down 14 points).
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WASHINGTON, D.C. — Americans’ approval of Israel’s military action in Gaza has fallen 10 percentage points since the prior measurement in September, and it is now at 32%, the lowest reading since Gallup first asked the question in November 2023. Disapproval of the military action has now reached 60%.
Prime Minister Mark Carney has said Canada will recognise a Palestinian state in September, making it the third G7 country to do so in recent days.
Carney said such a move would depend on certain conditions, including commitments by the Palestinian Authority to fundamentally reform its governance and to hold general elections in 2026 without Hamas and to demilitarise the territory.
I'm just the rookie on this thread, but I would say that Hamas is absolutely committed to the genocide of Israeli jews. Isn't it in their constitution? I don't know much about the food trucks being blocked. Still, I can imagine that the Israelis would be cautious about the possibility of the food trucks actually containing arms or explosives. I would also have the same reserv
The hostages are used as propaganda by the IDF more than anyone. The issue is the widespread concern of a genocide/ethnic cleansing by Israel toward Gaza. Also Pro Netanyahu folk often like to bring up World War II and say hey wait a minute what about the USA bombing Japan and Germany into smithereens. Well the goal there was to end of the war. Far right figures in Israel want to keep this war going and kill as many Palestinians as possible or get them to leave Gaza. So they can bring in Jewish settlements.
Notice huge amounts of people in Israel oppose Netanyahu . So when you say “Israel” or anyone says “Israel”, we need to make these distinctions.
Ron Paul said in the 1980s Israeli officials funded Hamas and allowed them to grow. I mean what better than to have a radical Muslim group grow in power compared to the more secular nature of the PLO that was before it. That will turn the Western world against the Palestinian movement.
Also, I’ve had an Israeli soldier(Netanyahu supporter too) tell me he thinks that “cameras were turned off” on October 7. Any reasonable person can ask how In the most monitored area of the world was Hamas able to cross the Israeli border and stay there for hours and hours without a military response, doesn’t make any sense.
It’s true there are hateful racists in both the IDF and Hamas. You see the difference is that Hamas has no military capability whatsoever to occupy Israel let alone defend Gaza. They are clearly used as a propaganda by the Netanyahu administration and this is why much of the civilized world has turned against Israel. The constant gaslighting by Netanyahu and his cronies about October 7 and Hamas and downplaying the 50,000 dead Palestinians.
There is no evidence or proof of widespread theft of food by Hamas. From both left and right wing sources. Again, it’s all pure propaganda by Netanyahu.
Yes, they want their own nation, but they want ALL of the land available. They don't want Israel to exist in any shape or form. IMO, the real reason that Arafat turned down peace deals and a two-state solution is because he would have been seen as a traitor, having made peace with Israel and would have been assassinated. Anyone else representing the Palestinians would have t
Plenty of Israelis and Palestinians work together or are friends with each other. I have a Palestinian friend who is a member of a Jewish community center in Israel.
The issue is the far right in both Gaza and Israel. The difference is the far right in Israel has the superior military power by a long shot.
Feel bad for these kids their parents are Jewish racists. The hope is that these young Jewish boys will grow up and get out of that evil mindset.
Well well well! Our anti Israel guys aren't gonna like this.
It’s good news essentially. As is the majority of the civilized world criticizing Netanyahu.
But your news is not necessarily a surprise as none of the Arab countries have done anything militarily to help the people of Gaza. Jordanian or Egyptian jets are not hitting Tel Aviv. Hamas is incapable of occupying Israel let alone defending the Gaza strip.
As said before it is hypocritical for the Western governments to supply weapons and money to Ukraine, but not to Gaza.
The current form of Hamas is mostly propped up by the Shia pro Iran axis which is weaker than it has ever been.
imagine thinking whatever the israel-aligned u.s. puppet dictatorships say is meaningful lmao
