Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

Think this merits its own thread...

Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.

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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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by Victor

Do you think it's fake? Do you know how to use Google?

I know how to use google.
Not that this has anything to do with my post.
Also why do you assume I think it's fake, or it's relevant to my post?


by TheKnight00

As for Iran I oppose their current government. And prefer the shah.

With or without Savak?


by weeeez

I know how to use google.
Not that this has anything to do with my post.
Also why do you assume I think it's fake, or it's relevant to my post?

Right I just don't understand the motivational behind your criticism of the screenshot.

Also, I never see you ask Dunyain for a link to his insane assertions.


by Victor

Right I just don't understand the motivational behind your criticism of the screenshot.

Also, I never see you ask Dunyain for a link to his insane assertions.

very few people shift from link to screenshot, I often asked about it to multiple people.
Usually its primary use is to ofuscate the source I think, and I believe out of shame mainly. (or to avoid criticism of the source).


its actually faster on my machine. just one click and then ctrl+v. and it gets the point across bc people arent going to click a link.

similarly, when Dun says something like "there are stories that Hamas is executing people in the streets", do you think he is tying to obfuscate? I mean, a screenshot is a lot better citation imo.


by Dunyain

I dont know what specific video you are claiming. But I have seen hundreds/thousands of videos, where the video almost never corroborates the accusations and outrage it generates. And in the extremely rare cases it does, the outrage is still mostly bad faith representation of what happened. It doesn't seem like most people generally outraged actually want peaceful co-existenc

lol


by Victor

its actually faster on my machine. just one click and then ctrl+v. and it gets the point across bc people arent going to click a link.

similarly, when Dun says something like "there are stories that Hamas is executing people in the streets", do you think he is tying to obfuscate? I mean, a screenshot is a lot better citation imo.

Screenshot has the same value.
Not sure where your going with that, well I guess it will end up with something something white empire genocide noise.
I'm not criticizing the content here.


by Dunyain

Why do you have a high opinion of Judaism? Have you read the Talmud and agree with its overall message how to live ones life? I think historical Islam, Judaism and Christianity represent sucky zero sum intolerance and tribalism that is incompatible with liberal values. Christianity seems the least intolerant in principle, but in practice seemed to be the most intolerant hist

There’s a very simple response here based on common sense. Just look at the world around us. There are people who are Muslim, Jewish and Christian, who are on the far left, the far right and many of them perhaps in between. And all of them would say to you they are following The very religion that their ancestors started thousands of years ago. You’re simply choosing to look at the worst examples.


by Bill Haywood

With or without Savak?

Of course they were a problem. I have spoken with quite a few Iranians. Most of them said they want a different government or they would be fine with going back to the era of the shah.

Iran still is enforcing a mandatory wearing of the hijab for women. Now in some streets on Iran women are not following the law , but that’s a risk The women are taking. In Saudi Arabia there is no longer a mandatory law for ladies to cover their law.


Regardless of what people think about the current Iranian government, they have failed to become a world superpower compared to the Persian empire from many centuries ago.

I’m no expert on Irans history , but I feel it is safe to say that a lot of this goes back to World War II era when Iran was a neutral country. And the Americans, Soviets and British put a ton of pressure on Iran and its then leader Reza Shah accusing Iran of being pro German perhaps without merit…. Eventually, the Soviet Union and British empire invaded Iran during World War II And effectively took the country over and set up the Persian corridor…. a critical supply route the allies utilized during the war. The allies installed the son of Reza Shah as the new leader…. Point is in the early -middle 20th century Iran was trying to build itself up to become a world power. They were not able to do so because of World War II.


by weeeez

Screenshot has the same value.
Not sure where your going with that, well I guess it will end up with something something white empire genocide noise.
I'm not criticizing the content here.

no its a lot easier to find the source of screenshot than someone claiming they heard something through the grapevine.


by Pablito

Is this your go-to response? ''You care only when it's Israel killing someone therefore your point is invalid''.

Anyways, so the video is fake? Is that what you're concluding?

Disagree. It's a money sink that is killing 7 year old girls carrying water with OUR tax money.

How is Israel a money sink? Do you have any sources to back this up? Do you have any rationale someone can follow to come to the same conclusion?

US tax dollars are being spent on foreign nations all over the world, most of it probably offering no benefits to American tax payers.


by Dunyain

Hamas still has their strongholds where they rule with an iron fist, in no small part because they take all the UN aid and use it as leverage to control the people. But Israel media is reporting in parts of Northern Gaza where Hamas does not control the aid, Palestinians are actually actively pushing Hamas fighters out, and on some occasions capturing them and handing them ove

You almost make it sound like the Palastinians aren't all hamas


by corpus vile

I don't agree with Jalfrezi on pretty much anything re Israel/Palestine but I very much doubt he's an actual Holocaust denier and have never seen him engage in anything remotely approaching that.

Maybe not. Maybe you don’t pay attention to the Twitter accounts he reposts and amplifies and what their followers say in the comments.


by TheKnight00

There’s a very simple response here based on common sense. Just look at the world around us. There are people who are Muslim, Jewish and Christian, who are on the far left, the far right and many of them perhaps in between. And all of them would say to you they are following The very religion that their ancestors started thousands of years ago. You’re simply choosin


--If the West was practicing Christianity like it did in the 10th century, much of the western world would be as red as the Muslim world is now. How familiar are you with how Christianity was practiced and spread in the Dark Ages? I will give you a hint; it wasn't done very nicely.

And the darkest red places in the Muslim world are that way exactly because the govt and/or a large % of the populace embrace 7th century religious morality.


by Victor

heres what you supporttweet tags dont work bc the deep state wants to hide this https://x.com/AJEnglish/status/195708038...blowing up small children carrying water

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for fun and profit

You seem to almost enjoy reporting the fact that these horrible things are happening.

You mention some horrible (alleged) act by the IDF, and you follow it up with your over-used "for fun and profit."

It all comes across as some sort of game for you.


by Dunyain

--If the West was practicing Christianity like it did in the 10th century, much of the western world would be as red as the Muslim world is now. How familiar are you with how Christianity was practiced and spread in the Dark Ages? I will give you a hint; it wasn't done very nicely. And the darkest red places in the Muslim world are that way exactly because the govt and/or

Ok again simple response. All people whatever their religion(atheist included) or race have ancestors who did good and bad things. You’re presenting kind of a one-sided view of the Middle Ages(lol “dark” ages). I can go on and on about this for pages but then again you don’t like “long responses” right lol

Start with the writings of Ibn Jubair a 12 century Muslim traveler who visited the Catholic kingdom of Jerusalem and wrote what he recorded….Jews and Muslims prospering. Also look at the 20th century historian Renee Grousett and his work “Epic of the Crusades”. Of course the Middle Ages wasn’t perfect, and the various Catholic kingdoms were not these glorious perfect empires. You are simply providing a one-sided angle though. And it doesn’t stand up to historical scrutiny. I’m not getting into this in this thread. Make another thread about it.

W/e man it’s all good … I respect Jews and their religion say whatever you want about Muslims and their faith.


by geezerchess

You seem to almost enjoy reporting the fact that these horrible things are happening.

You mention some horrible (alleged) act by the IDF, and you follow it up with your over-used "for fun and profit."

It all comes across as some sort of game for you.

do you understand how context works? look at the post right above this.

and do you understand what "allegedly" means? the IDF blew the girl to bits bc they are psychopathic genocidal maniacs.


Mass protests erupt in Israel as IDF readies plans to occupy Gaza City

JERUSALEM — Hundreds of thousands of Israelis stayed home from work, flooded city streets, and blocked roads and highways across the country on Sunday, according to local media, staging some of the largest anti-war protests in months as the military prepares for a major assault on Gaza City, the humanitarian crisis there deepens and anxiety mounts over the conditions of the hostages still in captivity.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mas...


by Pablito

@Dunyain and Luciom

How do you defend Israel blowing little girls carrying water into the stratosphere?

Islam has plenty of problems but one thing has become undeniable. The world would be an infinitely better place without Israel.

Simple. Misogyny to go with their hatred of Muslims.


by weeeez

Curious why you sometime choose to put a link and sometime a cropped pic with no link?
I'm not sure what your goal is so it might be intentionnal.
Maybe you even think it strengten your goal, who knows.

I don’t have a goal.

Lots of people are lazy non-readers so pictures work better for them. If I remember to I include a link for those who want to actually read lots of words.


by weeeez

very few people shift from link to screenshot, I often asked about it to multiple people.
Usually its primary use is to ofuscate the source I think, and I believe out of shame mainly. (or to avoid criticism of the source).

Ahaha ok now I see. You think I’m posting screenshots from Hamas.com and you’re too lazy to click or google


Bribe South Sudan to take Palestinians. The Blood and Soil crowd should be up in arms when this happens.


by Pablito

@Dunyain and Luciom

How do you defend Israel blowing little girls carrying water into the stratosphere?

Islam has plenty of problems but one thing has become undeniable. The world would be an infinitely better place without Israel.

I respond that you need to be mentally ill to believe any source on this topic that at any point ever manifested any propal bias.

It's incredible to even spend one more minute debunking pallywood bullshit after hundreds of confirmed propaganda photo and video ops. Not a single piece of "evidence" of any kind produced by anyone who is pro pal has , or will ever have, any credibility at all.

And, propal people in general should be dismissed when talking about everything else as well as completly bad faith liars (or extremely gullible low iq people). There is a total incompatibility between being a decent person and believing any of the crap the pro hamas brigade produces daily. It's very simple as a test of human worth as well.


by Pablito

@Dunyain and Luciom

How do you defend Israel blowing little girls carrying water into the stratosphere?

Islam has plenty of problems but one thing has become undeniable. The world would be an infinitely better place without Israel.

I think the world would actually be an infinitely better place without Hamas

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